Yoshi-P: Atma drop % = "it's just luck"

[silentwindfr]

RNG is fair yes.

wait, are you serious on this one?
RNG is not different than gambling! and seriously even kids know that is never been fair in any way.

Fair way is: everyone must do 10 fate in the area for get the Atma. there, is fair, everyone will do the same thing.
RNG way is: Player alpha enter an area between two dungeon, see a FATE do it get the atma, player Beta have already spend countless hours at this and haven't seen it one.

LUCK IS NOT FAIR!

ps: fair Synonyms: just, equitable, impartial, unprejudiced, unbiased, objective, dispassionate

indeed we can say RNG is fair because it's impartial... but since is not equitable... is not fair sorry

[skaterger]

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I've seen this idea thrown around countless times and tbh it's a pretty terrible one. The beauty of rng is that it's impartial and unbiased. It does not care if this is your 1st or 1000th roll, it does not care if you lost 10 rolls in a row. It just spits out a random number in your face based on a preset configuration of dice rolls. It's emotionless and just like a chess computer, it just sets about what it was programed to do without any fuss and hassle. This is ultimately why rng is fair.

I've played mmos for 10 years and this is the first game that I've seen so many people whining about rng. Not to say there weren't players complaining about low drop in other games but you know what they did? Ask for a higher drop rate. None of these progressive drop rate increase bs. This totally violates the principles of rng which I explained above.

[Felis]

Instead putting ATMAs into FATEs, Yoshida could bring back Hamlet defence an put the ATMAs in them. 1 Hamlet defence in each main region, 4 ATMAs in each Hamlet defence. Bringing the NPC stuff before the fight and earning enough points during the defence can increase the droprate. 100% droprate for the top3 in the provision rank list if the party get 60k points or more after the defence.

[Gormogon]

Do you make your own luck or does luck make you? We find luck, good and bad. Only way you're gonna win is if you keep playing.

So in the end the Atma grind is just a straight up grind. If you hate grinding then the "drop rate" doesn't matter. You aren't dealing with a .02% drop rate because if you were then you wouldn't be getting a drop within a week.

[Yumi_umi]

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If it doesn\\'t then that\\'s just terrible right? There\\'s just no excuse for putting a lot of hours into it and still not recieving the results of someone else who only put 1/2 or 1/4 of that effort.
Sure we all have a chance to get it but why must some grind their eyes out lol? I mean like if you don't have the nightmare mount from all that pre 2.2 ex farming then thats just lol wtf XD. I found it super extreme wtf lucky as i got it on my first garuda kill ( out of a few attempts ). When i won that roll damnn were some ppl pissed. I\\'m sure tht a lot of ppl have cleared all ex primals 100s of times ( for their ex weps, clears, farming gear, just for fun) and still have not seen 1 ever.
But my whole point is you can\\'t really justify rng when it can just decide to never give you a drop when u participate each time. Is it your fault? Nope, can you blame rng? Somewhat but still you can gamble your sanity away till you get it.

[Yumi_umi]

I think the reason y complain this much because we were to told to believe this game was for casuals.
When you know something is harder than coil for some people (hardest endgame content atm? ) and it only involves fate grinding then dammmmmn is that not casual lol.
If it's kill X amount of enemies (i.e butchers crown ) then imo thats casual grinding as it's still grinding a really huge amount but it's still obtainable as you know once u reach that number you get your reward. But when you have to gamble away your days then that's crazy lol. Also the fact that it's blocking the progression of your relic/atma/animus or whatever it's called now weapon.
When you aren't given the control of something that's affecting something you had control of then that's obviously wrong.

[Kitfox]

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See, you can't approach luck like that or you'll drive yourself crazy. The thing about RNG is that you don't have to care about it, it's out of your control anyway. The only thing you should worry about is how to be efficient about farming things and how to have fun with it. Drops will happen when they do, sooner or later.

Whether the effort is worth it or not is a question you'll have to answer yourself. If never getting the drop is "terrible" then why risk it and do it at all? I'd rather do something that's "fun" to me. Whenever you engage in something that's up to luck, you should embrace the chance that you might not get anything out of it. If you're not fine with that chance, then you shouldn't do it at all, because futile effort will only make your life miserable.

[Jerichai]

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How is adding a cut off to grinding a single zone a 'terrible' idea? If we went with the proposed 100 FATES in a single zone, for a single ATMA...that's still 100 fates that need to be completed. If someone was extremely unlucky...they'd still have to do at most 1200 fates for a single Atma weapon. I'm pretty sure that's still more than the average number of fates required to complete the Atma today. And I don't know about you...but that still seems like plenty of a grind to me.

Yes, you're right, RNG is unbiased. It's unbiased in who gets handed their upgrade and who gets completely screwed over. A design choice that has some lucky few completing their weapon in under twelve ours of effort while others have invested days worth of dedicated time and haven't gotten a full set yet is not a good system. It is more than possible to design long grinds without relying on dated RNG tactics. It just requires the development team to make an effort...

[Hyperia]

I expect to see the relic quest get modified down the road due to the fact that they intend to have a continual stream of upgrades for this weapon. Since players will want to have a relic on all of their classes, having such an incredible time sink will become counter productive as they add new upgrades. It would not surprise me to see them boost the drop rate substantially within 2 to 3 patches. As it stands now, most of the people in my FC are being forced to choose one weapon to upgrade due to the time sink. Our coil teams have made the short term decision to skip the Atma farming even though their upgraded relics may ultimately be better down the road in the long term.

My view of the current situation:
1. Many players devour content faster than they create it, this quest serves as a means to slow them down and keep them in the game.
2. PS4 launch happened roughly the same time and having thousands of players running around the world grinding fates making it look more alive.

[kiraan]

They should give you a fragment of atma for any fate you're doing and still have the same chance as now to get a full atma. ( fragment of a specific atma, or a universal fragment, idk)

You can combine 100 fragment to get an atma.

Lucky people will still get atma pretty quick, the most unlucky person in the world will have to do 1200 fates.

Win/Win for all!