Dark Knight

[Kitru]

You mean... like the way they might be portrayed in a video-game?

So now you're using the the exaggerated versions of the mythologized ninjas used in video games to justify this guys mythologized views about historical ninjas in reality? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The mythologization of the ninja happened *way* before the advent of video games. Video games (though moreso the kung-fu movies of the 70-80s who loved using ninjas as massed faceless opponents which lead to the use of ninjas as they were seen in video games) simply exaggerated certain aspects of that mythologization. The guy was comparing video game ninjas to mythologized ninjas and acting as if he were comparing them to *real* ninjas.

If you want to admit that he was simply comparing two fictional constructs of the ninja (the one invented ~100 years ago and the one invented ~20 years ago), that's fine, but don't act like he was anything approaching a legitimate authority on what the historical ninjas was.

[Neko_One]

I LOVED DRK in XI! I want it back so badly! >:3

[Kitru]

Fine, you can needlessly troll and dispute it all you want

So I'm trolling because you keep getting stuff wrong and I keep correcting you? That's a remarkably strange definition of trolling given that I haven't even been partaking in a semantic debate because I'm directly tackling your arguments and point out how they're simply *wrong* by providing contradictory evidence or pointing out the weakness in your source information.

Also, I'm not a ninja fanatic. I simply know the difference between the mythologized ninja and real ninjas, and its something of an annoyance of mine when people act like their mythologized archetypes are the historical fact. If you want to use the mythologized ninja, feel free, but don't delude yourself by saying that it's historically accurate. I, honestly, wouldn't *want* to play a game with historically accurate ninjas because it wouldn't be nearly as exciting/fun as running around with insane weapons carving up hordes of enemies, but that doesn't mean that I think that video game ninjas are anything resembling the real ones.

Complete with similar color pallet, and similarly shaped caplet. Not really a point but both characters even have over-sized ears!

The only similarity is the color palette, which you seem to be monumentally hung up on. The headpiece is not similarly shaped. The Assassin has a turban like wrap; Yugiri has a hood *just like the picture that I posted*. Exstal already pointed out that the ears are a function *entirely* of race and not of class/job so it's utterly ridiculous to bring them up as evidence as to class, unless you want to claim that we'll never see any NIN except for hyur because they're the only race that ever gets to be NIN in the series.

The *only* similarity that you can actually claim is the color palette. Absolutely *everything* else is from the Ninja, not the Assassin, so, unless you seriously want to argue that color palette trumps the *everything else*, you're straight up wrong. In fact, using color palette to argue for Assassin instead of Ninja is a painfully *bad* argument because Ninja (as a job, rather than a specific character) has used *tremendously* different color palettes throughout the years and even within the same game.

In FFI and III, the Ninja was red. In FFV, each character had a different color for their ninja outfit (red, blue, black, purple, pink). In Tactics, they were either Red or Blue, based upon gender. In the Tactics Advance games, they were either purple (your side) or green (enemy).

Ninja has never *had* a consistent color palette. Hell, if you want to use the appearance of the ninja with a purple color palette (from the same games where you get Assassin), they look more like Yugiri than the Assassin does (unless you honestly believe that race is some kind of class trump card):



The skin is entirely

Now it is my understanding that class appearances, names, and abilities do sometimes get switched, mixed, and matched between similar jobs/abilities; for example, the Red Mage and Rune Fencer frequently do this between different games. So this could be a ninja, just looking like and maybe even named assassin to better fit the European market/esthetic.

The only games in which the Assassin job has showed up have been those games where Ninjas already existed. The Assassin was either an uber-ninja that players could not get (FFT; it didn't even *look* like your Assassin either), or it was the variant ninja for a different race (FFTA/2). There is no support in any FF series for Assassin existing exclusive of Ninja. The fact that *Ninja* is an iconic job of the series (and is *always* called Ninja, never Assassin) and Assassin is not pretty much means that we're not going to see Assassin as the name of the class instead of Ninja.

Rune Fencer has existed in a single game *ever* (FFXI), and it already had Red Mage, which looked exactly like the archetypal Red Mage. The whole "mystic swordsman" archetype has never been consistently portrayed as any specific job across the series, which is why it's a problematic archetype to implement in the MMO.

It's pretty obvious that you know next to nothing of the series as a whole because the cases where *iconic* classes get their abilities and appearances shifted around is the exception, not the rule. You'd also realize that Assassin is nowhere near to being iconic compared to the Ninja. At this point, I can only assume you're looking for any feasible justification to reinforce your beliefs/arguments in the face of insurmountable evidence because you've become so invested in it due to having to defend it that would be almost painful for you to admit you've been wrong the entire time.

[Kitru]

Yes, I brain farted. I was thinking Greek Spartan period.

Sparta has been in Greece for about as long as Greece has been Greece. "Spartan period" makes absolutely no sense.

Even then, assuming you're referring to either Classical and Ancient Greece, bronze armor was in common use and was only supplanted by the glued linen armor because of weight considerations, not due to the rarity of metal itself. Still, the glued linen was remarkably resilient and wouldn't simply cave immediately under any kind of cutting force (else what's the point of wearing it in the first place).

At no point was the sharpening of shields actually performed for much the same reason that the Roman scuta weren't sharpened: hoplons were too big to be wielded as cutting weapons, and those shields small enough to be used as weapons would not have benefited from sharpening the outer edges because a blunt edge works just fine for the purpose and doesn't hinder the functionality of the shield itself (by increasing weight and decreasing structural integrity).

[Bloodclaw]

and


Ears are because...well, she's a cat person.


Side note: Why do you call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? It's fair to call you a troll since your opinion differs from ours?

If you look closely, that is a rat tail, not fluffy or furry at all. Its a rat/humanoid race and the ears are folded up a bit due to the hat. Ears was an off comment anyway, not relevant to topic and the ninja is not relevent to the DRK comment really to this degree. So if everyone wants to discuss it, I think it need to be else where.

[Bloodclaw]

I LOVED DRK in XI! I want it back so badly! >:3

Yes me too.

[Bloodclaw]

So now you're using the the exaggerated versions of the mythologized ninjas used in video games to justify this guys mythologized views about historical ninjas in reality? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

No you are putting words in my mouth to try and make me sound wrong to those who have not watched the video. I am saying that an exaggerated cultural view from the decendents of whom practiced the craft/skill/life would make a good source for a video game. I think we are done talking about this here. Take the ninja talk else where please.

[Exstal]

There's isn't much to talk about Dark Knight anymore anyway. In first 30 pages, we've explored the possibility of roles Dark Knight could fill and why it should go that way. Any further discussion would be because people don't read the previous pages and just skip to the end to hit "reply to thread".

Yugiri could be like Freya too though.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cleyran

[Bloodclaw]

There's isn't much to talk about Dark Knight anymore anyway. In first 30 pages, we've explored the possibility of roles Dark Knight could fill and why it should go that way. Any further discussion would be because people don't read the previous pages and just skip to the end to hit "reply to thread".

Yugiri could be like Freya too though.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cleyran

Very true about the conversation about DRK. I am trying to keep this thread alive so people can express the desire for the job to be brought to the game and to leave it open on any news relevant to that development. As for the race, yeah thats a possibility, but not sure about the art style. The tail doesn't look all the scaly.



P.S. However, if they are releasing a new DPS job, then it would mean that either they are NOT releasing the DRK soon or they are making it a tank. I don't think they will release two new DPS roles at the same time.

[Exstal]

They are releasing a gun class and dagger class, the news will be at E3. I swear, if Yoshi lied about Ninja being tank..

http://www.psu.com/a023154/New-Jobs-...er-PvP-details