How come this game got a mechanic to avoid trash mobs????

[HeroSamson]

It's already been said, but apparently it's worth saying again. Trash aren't a challenge. I farm with an i80+ group most of the time and it's boring going one pull at a time. IF I use DF or DR then I'll do a mostly normal run. Maybe two pulls at a time, but it depends on the group. I never SR in the DF/DR. PF/Static runs I'll SR the hell out of stuff because farming 1500 myth is boring hell.

Sorry but what do you expect just fight 3 bosses and the end? that's not a MMO that's a flash game.

[Cap75]

Sorry but what do you expect just fight 3 bosses and the end? that's not a MMO that's a flash game.

Huh? Flash game? If that's your MMO criteria then FFXIV isn't an MMO due to CT, Coil, Primals, etc. all of which have few to no trash mobs at all. And, honestly, I don't even know if I'm directly commenting on the point you're trying to make, because I really can't figure out your point.

[Elim]

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but if you don't like speed runs then don't join in them. Speak up and say no if it's a DF group. If everyone but you wants to do it, you're free to leave. Another option you have is to make your own PF group that clearly states no speed runs/big trash pulls.

[Macka]

That's not how you speed run



Oh, why so?

But thats what I see when I decide to do a duty finder group all day everyday. On that note they spend more time and effort trying to lockout the last trash before the first boss then it takes juzt to kill them. If we wipe guess what more time wasted. Dont blame the healer blame the tank. If they can't take heat why they in boiler room?

[HeroSamson]

Huh? Flash game? If that's your MMO criteria then FFXIV isn't an MMO due to CT, Coil, Primals, etc. all of which have few to no trash mobs at all. And, honestly, I don't even know if I'm directly commenting on the point you're trying to make, because I really can't figure out your point.

we aren't talking about Single boss runs are we they are talking about trash <--- in dungeons why would you even bring up single bosses when this has nothing to do with that?
they are talking about skipping through dungeons without fighting the monsters.

[HeroSamson]

Basically bosses have minions always in games they set their minions up to guard them on the way up even if they are useless you gonna have to deal with them.

warcraft 3 I can only imagine if that RTS didn't have small troops running around just go to the end kill boss go to next place kill boss and be done with the game no story no nothing. I think SE needs to make some ground rules for the forums about what people can post cause these post are going overboard.

[Starlord]

Reasons I don't avoid them is because I am trying to EXP off of them, There's better ways to get myth if that's their reasoning to speed run a dungeon. like on AV and they just totally waste 50-100k exp because they don't wanna wait for the Morbol seedlings to pop that give roughly 4.5k exp per seedling, instead they kill them and I only get 400 exp.. REALLY?! -.-

[Vactus]

Explain to me why we should kill every trash mob in the joint? I should stop to kill two mobs that I can just as easily lock out of the boss room? Were you around for the original AK SR? That was literally fighting just the bosses. You can't do that anymore in any dungeon. Want us to kill trash? Give me a reason to do so. Like door locks that are currently in place or something else. Other than some gil, no trash mob is actually worth killing unless it unlocks the boss or next section. Burn what you need, otherwise you're just wasting time or wanting to spiritbond. SB is the only reason I could see wanting to kill everything i.e. T3 of Coil.

Let's talk BrayHM since that's the new hotness for SRs. There are up to four pulls that are skipped. The 3 birds near the first bosses door, the two adds at that door are easily locked out, the raptors to the left of the second section and the last Couerl before the final boss. Two of those guard a chest. The raptors are easily avoided by having someone run to the chest and back down and to the boss door when Brayflox blows the rock. So that locks us out of a treasure chest that isn't worth much. I can do BrayHM in just about 10mins or so if I have a SR group ready for it. Otherwise in DF/DR it's treated like a SR ONLY in the fact that we skip stuff. We still kill all the needed trash just at a slower pace because DF/DR.

Edit: You mention them being minions and comparing it to WC3. WC3 is a very different genre and is a single player game. This is an MMO which by nature is grindy as hell and people want to complete things as quick as possible.

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Reasons I don't avoid them is because I am trying to EXP off of them, There's better ways to get myth if that's their reasoning to speed run a dungeon. like on AV and they just totally waste 50-100k exp because they don't wanna wait for the Morbol seedlings to pop that give roughly 4.5k exp per seedling, instead they kill them and I only get 400 exp.. REALLY?! -.-

That's a very different scenario. If you're still leveling, then most mobs aren't skipped and dungeons are speed runs. AV farming is another form of SR when it's the first room only. Which is something I've never done because I leveled during the good ol FATE grinding days last fall.

But thats what I see when I decide to do a duty finder group all day everyday. On that note they spend more time and effort trying to lockout the last trash before the first boss then it takes juzt to kill them. If we wipe guess what more time wasted. Dont blame the healer blame the tank. If they can't take heat why they in boiler room?

IF that is happening then it's a bad group anyways and shouldn't be doing SRs.

[HeroSamson]

Edit: You mention them being minions and comparing it to WC3. WC3 is a very different genre and is a single player game. This is an MMO which by nature is grindy as hell and people want to complete things as quick as possible.

Yeah my point exactly, You want to complete things quick, Square Enix does not want you to blow through content quick is why its set up this way, which mmo have you ever played that had you walk straight to a boss without fighting something?

Minus single bosses those do not count do not bring up primals there is no walking needed. Do not mention popping a Boss either this is only about dungeons.

[Starlord]

That's a very different scenario. If you're still leveling, then most mobs aren't skipped and dungeons are speed runs. AV farming is another form of SR when it's the first room only. Which is something I've never done because I leveled during the good ol FATE grinding days last fall.

Most dungeons they don't, but on AV for some reason, some parties just don't care and kill them before they hatch. I mean I don't expect them to kill EVERY mob, but when it's something that would net me 5k a pop I kinda hope they do wait, or else I am losing out on quite a bit of exp.

Killing them before they hatch I feel is a "form" of avoiding mobs (easy to kill gives, less exp, and they don't want to wait).