How come this game got a mechanic to avoid trash mobs????

[SendohJin]

DF is free for all, if most of the party wishes to SR I think the other players would either like to learn it, ask not to SR and have the party agree to it, or leave... But it's wrong telling you can't SR on DF IMO.

unless you can actually SR with 2 or 3 it needs to be a unanimous decision. to SR or not to SR is not a majority rules decision.

[Macka]

Except that speed running is actually harder than pulling one by one ( > . >

In fact, because it's so easy to pull 1 by 1 and faceroll mobs, people speed run to have even the iny bit of challange they can...

Also I don't think you can say "it shouldn't be done in DF", anything can be done in DF, just like you can tell me to go to PF for doing SR I can tell you to go to PF for not doing it.

DF is free for all, if most of the party wishes to SR I think the other players would either like to learn it, ask not to SR and have the party agree to it, or leave... But it's wrong telling you can't SR on DF IMO.

Well when I play healer and tank takes off before I even finish buffing and pull the whole zone I just let him die. Now he knows this not a speedrun lol.

[Razzle]

tank takes off before I even finish buffing and pull the whole zone

That's not how you speed run

unless you can actually SR with 2 or 3 it needs to be a unanimous decision. to SR or not to SR is not a majority rules decision.

Oh, why so?

[Macka]

That's not how you speed run



Oh, why so?

But thats what I see when I decide to do a duty finder group all day everyday. On that note they spend more time and effort trying to lockout the last trash before the first boss then it takes juzt to kill them. If we wipe guess what more time wasted. Dont blame the healer blame the tank. If they can't take heat why they in boiler room?

[Vactus]

its like I said, people want stuff handed to them easy just walk through the dungeon get rewards without jumping over hurdles they are spoiled and cry till they get what they want.

Avoid monsters so you can just go to boss without trying to get dungeon beat as fast as possible without the hurdles.

want a easy game go play the MMO you are describing FFXIV arr must be too hard for you and a time sink not a game for you.

It's already been said, but apparently it's worth saying again. Trash aren't a challenge. I farm with an i80+ group most of the time and it's boring going one pull at a time. IF I use DF or DR then I'll do a mostly normal run. Maybe two pulls at a time, but it depends on the group. I never SR in the DF/DR. PF/Static runs I'll SR the hell out of stuff because farming 1500 myth is boring hell.

[HeroSamson]

It's already been said, but apparently it's worth saying again. Trash aren't a challenge. I farm with an i80+ group most of the time and it's boring going one pull at a time. IF I use DF or DR then I'll do a mostly normal run. Maybe two pulls at a time, but it depends on the group. I never SR in the DF/DR. PF/Static runs I'll SR the hell out of stuff because farming 1500 myth is boring hell.

Sorry but what do you expect just fight 3 bosses and the end? that's not a MMO that's a flash game.

[Cap75]

its like I said, people want stuff handed to them easy just walk through the dungeon get rewards without jumping over hurdles they are spoiled and cry till they get what they want.

Avoid monsters so you can just go to boss without trying to get dungeon beat as fast as possible without the hurdles.

want a easy game go play the MMO you are describing FFXIV arr must be too hard for you and a time sink not a game for you.

This makes no sense. Speed running is harder than just taking each pack one by one. You need a higher level party to do it. It's not about ease. It's about efficiency.

Again, it shouldn't be done in DF though.

[Cap75]

DF is free for all, if most of the party wishes to SR I think the other players would either like to learn it, ask not to SR and have the party agree to it, or leave... But it's wrong telling you can't SR on DF IMO.

Simply: no. That's directly against SE's words and intentions. In fact forcing someone to leave or kicking them because they don't want to speed run is considered abusive and is actually bannable. Check out SE's statements in the other Brayflox thread.

DF exists for one reason: to help lower level players through dungeons. In fact, kicking anyone who isn't being abusive themselves is considered a reportable offense. It doesn't matter how much they slow you down. DF was supposed to foster community. Clearly it's failing miserably at that, but that was the intention.

[Razzle]

Simply: no. That's directly against SE's words and intentions. In fact forcing someone to leave or kicking them because they don't want to speed run is considered abusive and is actually bannable. Check out SE's statements in the other Brayflox thread.

DF exists for one reason: to help lower level players through dungeons. In fact, kicking anyone who isn't being abusive themselves is considered a reportable offense. It doesn't matter how much they slow you down. DF was supposed to foster community. Clearly it's failing miserably at that, but that was the intention.

Simply: No.
SE doesn't support players leaving mid fight in Bray Dungeon - Never saw they are against SR on DF. I agree with SE - Players shouldn't leave midfight.
Second Df does not exsist to help new players, it exsist for fast and easy party matching. There is a feature exsited in the DF to help new and low lvl players and that's the roulette.
And third, kicking for that reason is an abuse, I never stated it wasn't.
I think it's impolite and selfish to stay in a party where everyone but you want to run a dungeon in a specific way and expect everyone to play like you want to without trying to adjust and help contribute, and that's why I said that player should either ask and have the party agree not to SR, or leave (simply morality, I wouldn't kick him over it and I know many won't). If there is a party of four where 3 want to SR and one doesn't and he refuse to cooperate or refuse to try to SR and stays in the party - I think that's not a nice thing to do just like the opposite.