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    KogaDrake's Avatar
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    Koga Dragontaker
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Remn View Post
    I use it as snap agro, right when add spawn and I'm stuck between GCD. it only 1 agro but it enough get add attention for a second then I can follow up w/ Lob after.

    Long range pull is useful as well
    anyone uses ANY skill or any hots tick and its not on you anyways, just wait the 1sec, shieldlob/tomahawk and then if it wasnt enough to actually have hate use provoke... 9/10 if your group mates doing their jobs provoke pull will fail. and second, scripted fights, you know when adds coming, you shouldn't be waiting on GCD. I always laugh in levi at all the pld who pull adds with provoke and they always end up on the healer or dps, yet mine with tomahawk never go to anyone but me.
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    SirTaint's Avatar
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    Sir Taint
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    Behemoth
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KogaDrake View Post
    anyone uses ANY skill or any hots tick and its not on you anyways, just wait the 1sec, shieldlob/tomahawk and then if it wasnt enough to actually have hate use provoke... 9/10 if your group mates doing their jobs provoke pull will fail. and second, scripted fights, you know when adds coming, you shouldn't be waiting on GCD. I always laugh in levi at all the pld who pull adds with provoke and they always end up on the healer or dps, yet mine with tomahawk never go to anyone but me.

    You are probably MT and your DPS are going ballsdeep in the OTs add. If one Tomahawk is locking down the first targeted add (OT) then you DPS are weak. I alway OT on PLD for the stuns but my order is Lob,Voke,Lob if they pop on the other side of the map and continue running away from me. Otherwise its Lob,SW,FB,CoS,SB,RoH. Provoke is off the GCD as Remn mentioned pretty silly not to use.
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    Ehayte's Avatar
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    Supply Demand
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by KogaDrake View Post
    anyone uses ANY skill or any hots tick and its not on you anyways, just wait the 1sec, shieldlob/tomahawk and then if it wasnt enough to actually have hate use provoke... 9/10 if your group mates doing their jobs provoke pull will fail. and second, scripted fights, you know when adds coming, you shouldn't be waiting on GCD. I always laugh in levi at all the pld who pull adds with provoke and they always end up on the healer or dps, yet mine with tomahawk never go to anyone but me.
    In addition to the sentiments above, if you can wait about 2 seconds, for the Medica II or regen to tick, you can get a little extra hate through provoke before shield lob. Think of it as off-CD 20-100 hate that you didn't have before. It is also helpful to get your name and position on the map on its hate IMMEDIATELY so that it doesn't run to the healers, stop, then run to you, as DRG and MNK (and even BLM sometimes) will have a hard time doing maximum dps to the add if it is moving around. Not just from not being able to complete an ability, but from positional checks as well.

    Provoke in this situation will snap the mobs attention faster than shield lob/tomahawk, NOT using an off-GCD, long range skill that will increase your hate by even 20 before using an ON GCD, mid-range skill is a waste of that Provoke key on your hotbar in this situation, as you will not need it again before its CD is up.

    Being skilled is not only knowing the script of the fight and executing your job but knowing how your skills interact with the current and subsequent portions of the fight.
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