The number of bad players are rising!

[Wicc]

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Comparing games to taxes to win your argument is a bit of a fail.

Also, who cares if someone gets mad at you for being 'bad' or skipping a cut scene. It's simple. Get. over. it.

Obviously you keep bringing up school and work, so you have a life outside the game. So the tank gets a little pissy. Cool story. Deal with it. Because no amount of complaining on the forums is going to magically make them suddenly have an ultimatum and go 'Oh.. maybe I should be nicer now.'

[Foo01]

Comparing games to taxes to win your argument is a bit of a fail.

Also, who cares if someone gets mad at you for being 'bad' or skipping a cut scene. It's simple. Get. over. it.

Obviously you keep bringing up school and work, so you have a life outside the game. So the tank gets a little pissy. Cool story. Deal with it. Because no amount of complaining on the forums is going to magically make them suddenly have an ultimatum and go 'Oh.. maybe I should be nicer now.'

BTW, given this is tax day, and there are plenty of folks who love to game the tax system and have plenty of fun doing it. So it is absolutely NOT a fail. For those of us not in that select 1%, elitist... it might be a fail, because it is NOT fun for us, we got nothing that we can even begin to game with, in the context of a RPG, we are naked got no gear. LOL, perhaps not even allowed to create your character.

And I've got nothing against tanks. What I am against is the speed runners, whether they are DPS, healers, or tanks. And it is not just any speed runners, but those elitist jerks that forced everyone else to speed run without any other options and little or no communication or negotiation. I am agnostic to the speed run itself, provided that I been thru that dungeon more than once, and I am not undergeared. And if I am undergeared.... in which case when I am the healer and I die, there goes any speed and time you hoped to achieve. Can't do much about the mathematical limitations there.

BTW, I don't expect the jerks to get any nicer. People are people, they will do what they want. But that does NOT mean we have to take it silently. Calling out their bad behavior could hopefully deter other people from being jerks, and hopefully they could get the message and use the party finder and quit fouling up the duty finder and expecting to speed run.

My main point. You are in a group with others. If those others are on a higher level, more experience, whatever, you expect them and only them to come down to your level? You don't intend to meet them halfway at all? Because that's what you're saying. There are many different ways to "have fun", but if you're not willing to meet half way with people not like you, you're just as bad as those you complain about.

What does meeting half way mean? How some one with iLevel 50 meet halfway with iLevel 90+? How does someone get to run the dungeon at half speed run, when the speed runner doesn't even communicate? Seriously?

It is like smokers in restaurants, public indoor spaces? How do you meet these people halfway? The foul up the air and everyone else has to breathe it. That is a problem. I don't ask that smoking be made illegal, just that in public spaces with lots of others people, the smoker go smoke away from the others, go to their smoking section or outside. Similarily speed runners should do their speed runs using the party finder, and don't go to the duty finder with the unreasonable expectation that everyone else can speed run with them.

BTW it is the same elitist attitude that end up with jerks like this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ome-errand-boy

[Wicc]

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Weren't you also upset about name calling, yet turn around and call me an elitist for not agreeing with you?
I'm stating you tried to compare video games and taxes by saying "Just because you are good at taxes doesn't make it fun."

But if you want to keep calling me names, go ahead hypocrit I'll still have fun whether you like me or not.

[ispano]

They won't delete your character.

[ispano]

What does meeting half way mean? How some one with iLevel 50 meet halfway with iLevel 90+? How does someone get to run the dungeon at half speed run, when the speed runner doesn't even communicate? Seriously?

First of all, I have always been against forcing people to skip cutscenes and similar. I even hinted at that, but you skipped over it.

Meeting half way means putting in more effort than you might normally, it's that simple. They put in effort, you don't want to put so much. So they have to come down to you, but not the other way around?

[skaterger]

What does meeting half way mean? How some one with iLevel 50 meet halfway with iLevel 90+?

Agreed. Any tank in DR Who doesn't stop to check the party's gear before running ahead and pulling the whole instance and ends up dying should blame no one but himself.