The number of bad players are rising!

[Foo01]

I always thought when you get better, you have more fun. I.E It's more fun to be able to kill Titan ex than not. When you put in work say playing basketball and get good at it or any sports, you have more fun. Games tend to work that way.

But this begs the question, is it fun because you are good at it? Or you are good at it because it is fun? Being good at something does NOT necessitate it being fun. And as much as I like to get better at things, fun or otherwise. Getting good at it should NOT change whether it was FUN to start with, because it should be intrinsically fun to start with.

Otherwise, you end with there is nothing to do and I am bored QQ threads. Well was it fun or not when you started? Why did getting over-geared and getting better make it less fun and? I was never any good at basketball, but it was fun, and with age I will only get more gimpy, and will it be less fun? And on the flip side, getting better at doing your 1040 forms for taxes, does NOT make taxes any more fun.

I can't tell you what it is fun, but I can certainly tell you one thing that is clearly NOT fun i.e. being told by an elitist speed runner jerk to skip the cut scene that I have never even seen before and then being left all alone trying to figure out what the heck has happened.

[Wicc]

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Comparing games to taxes to win your argument is a bit of a fail.

Also, who cares if someone gets mad at you for being 'bad' or skipping a cut scene. It's simple. Get. over. it.

Obviously you keep bringing up school and work, so you have a life outside the game. So the tank gets a little pissy. Cool story. Deal with it. Because no amount of complaining on the forums is going to magically make them suddenly have an ultimatum and go 'Oh.. maybe I should be nicer now.'

[Foo01]

Comparing games to taxes to win your argument is a bit of a fail.

Also, who cares if someone gets mad at you for being 'bad' or skipping a cut scene. It's simple. Get. over. it.

Obviously you keep bringing up school and work, so you have a life outside the game. So the tank gets a little pissy. Cool story. Deal with it. Because no amount of complaining on the forums is going to magically make them suddenly have an ultimatum and go 'Oh.. maybe I should be nicer now.'

BTW, given this is tax day, and there are plenty of folks who love to game the tax system and have plenty of fun doing it. So it is absolutely NOT a fail. For those of us not in that select 1%, elitist... it might be a fail, because it is NOT fun for us, we got nothing that we can even begin to game with, in the context of a RPG, we are naked got no gear. LOL, perhaps not even allowed to create your character.

And I've got nothing against tanks. What I am against is the speed runners, whether they are DPS, healers, or tanks. And it is not just any speed runners, but those elitist jerks that forced everyone else to speed run without any other options and little or no communication or negotiation. I am agnostic to the speed run itself, provided that I been thru that dungeon more than once, and I am not undergeared. And if I am undergeared.... in which case when I am the healer and I die, there goes any speed and time you hoped to achieve. Can't do much about the mathematical limitations there.

BTW, I don't expect the jerks to get any nicer. People are people, they will do what they want. But that does NOT mean we have to take it silently. Calling out their bad behavior could hopefully deter other people from being jerks, and hopefully they could get the message and use the party finder and quit fouling up the duty finder and expecting to speed run.

My main point. You are in a group with others. If those others are on a higher level, more experience, whatever, you expect them and only them to come down to your level? You don't intend to meet them halfway at all? Because that's what you're saying. There are many different ways to "have fun", but if you're not willing to meet half way with people not like you, you're just as bad as those you complain about.

What does meeting half way mean? How some one with iLevel 50 meet halfway with iLevel 90+? How does someone get to run the dungeon at half speed run, when the speed runner doesn't even communicate? Seriously?

It is like smokers in restaurants, public indoor spaces? How do you meet these people halfway? The foul up the air and everyone else has to breathe it. That is a problem. I don't ask that smoking be made illegal, just that in public spaces with lots of others people, the smoker go smoke away from the others, go to their smoking section or outside. Similarily speed runners should do their speed runs using the party finder, and don't go to the duty finder with the unreasonable expectation that everyone else can speed run with them.

BTW it is the same elitist attitude that end up with jerks like this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ome-errand-boy

[Wicc]

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Weren't you also upset about name calling, yet turn around and call me an elitist for not agreeing with you?
I'm stating you tried to compare video games and taxes by saying "Just because you are good at taxes doesn't make it fun."

But if you want to keep calling me names, go ahead hypocrit I'll still have fun whether you like me or not.

[ispano]

They won't delete your character.

[ispano]

What does meeting half way mean? How some one with iLevel 50 meet halfway with iLevel 90+? How does someone get to run the dungeon at half speed run, when the speed runner doesn't even communicate? Seriously?

First of all, I have always been against forcing people to skip cutscenes and similar. I even hinted at that, but you skipped over it.

Meeting half way means putting in more effort than you might normally, it's that simple. They put in effort, you don't want to put so much. So they have to come down to you, but not the other way around?

[skaterger]

What does meeting half way mean? How some one with iLevel 50 meet halfway with iLevel 90+?

Agreed. Any tank in DR Who doesn't stop to check the party's gear before running ahead and pulling the whole instance and ends up dying should blame no one but himself.

[ispano]

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Is it fun to drag down 3-7 other people for the sake of your own fun? Serious question since people tend to leave this one out. And I don't mean skipping cutscenes and the like.

[Foo01]

Is it fun to drag down 3-7 other people for the sake of your own fun? Serious question since people tend to leave this one out. And I don't mean skipping cutscenes and the like.

This is the exactly the elitist attitude that is the problem. Who is being dragged down on the duty finder when some one is watching cutscenes for the very first time? Who is being dragged down when someone gets to a new dungeon that they have never been to before?

Seriously? What does dragged down even mean?

Why abuse the duty finder to do your speed runs and force 3-7 other players to play it your way? Who is being selfish here?
Why do you assume the 3-7 other players are looking to do speed runs on the duty finder? Who is being foolish here?

The best encounter I had was learning Garuda (not even the hard more or whatever) the first time. Doesn't matter that I went and studied the videos on youtube, or that the other players may or may not. We wiped over and over and finally it clicked for all of us together cleared with 5 minutes remaining. That was epic. Everyone had fun in that one and we all talk about it and laughed about it afterwards. So just what does dragged down mean? Everyone missed a dodge here and there and died, missed an add, lost a rock, etc. If we had 3 other very experienced players and we sped thru it, would it have left a lasting memory? Would it have been more fun? What fun is being dragged down, by having everyone learn in the process? Serious question here? It is NOT always about efficiency?

Does efficiency = fun?

[Wicc]

This is the exactly the elitist attitude that is the problem. Who is being dragged down on the duty finder when some one is watching cutscenes for the very first time? Who is being dragged down when someone gets to a new dungeon that they have never been to before?

Someone who may be in a hurry and can't wait due to life outside the game.

Cute scenes are in the inn for this simple purpose.

Or.. yet again. Don't let it bother you. Let them get mad. Who cares c: