RNG is ruining this game (ATMA QQ post)

[fergalicious]

Guess what?

All the new weapons and highest level gear require RNG.

Want a new weathered weapon? Need unidentified tomestones
Want a new allagan weapon? Pray it drops for you
Want a Leviathan 100 weapon? Wait for the token to drop and you get the lot.
Want a original Turn 5 weapon? RNG as well!

You can't escape the RNG it permeats the world and people need to accept this.

First of all, the unidentified tombstones are 100% drop off T7 and the sands of time to upgrade are 100% off T8, I will be getting mine next week tyvm.

Secondly, a little RNG is fine, we all know every drop isn't going to be 100%. But when you put a sub 5% drop rate and say go farm this 12 times...the people in the small part of the bell curve are gonna have a bad time. Have some compassion for those who suffer, its the humane thing to do in this situation.

[Holyhunter]

First of all, the unidentified tombstones are 100% drop off T7 and the sands of time to upgrade are 100% off T8, I will be getting mine next week tyvm.

Secondly, a little RNG is fine, we all know every drop isn't going to be 100%. But when you put a sub 5% drop rate and say go farm this 12 times...the people in the small part of the bell curve are gonna have a bad time. Have some compassion for those who suffer, its the humane thing to do in this situation.

You aren't suffering. It's an optional side quest in a video game, get over it.

[Rivest]

In my oppinion the RNG is not the biggest problem.
The problem here is that there are lockouts in combination with RNG.

To put this in perspective:

Me and my static have been farming T5 for quite a time.
We had a few weapons such as Spear, knuckles and SCH book drop quite often and some wouldnt drop.
After Patch 2.2 we still didn't have all weapons including the Paladin sword (x2), so we decided to farm T5.

We had farmed 1 and a half weeks before the sword first dropped.
We're talking about 7-8 wins per day for around 10 days.
On the last day it finally dropped and 2 wins afterwards it dropped again.
Now that means it took 7-8 * 10 to drop = 70-80
70 / 4 = 17,5 = 17 and a half months of farming (with a lockout) = one and a half year of farming (with a lockout).
80 / 4 = 20 = 20 months of farming (with a lockout) = one and 2/3 year of farming (with a lockout).

These are ridiculous numbers and in my oppinion we should have either RNG or a lockout, not both.
If we have lockouts, then we should have tokens that we can turn in for items.

[TheUltimate3]

MMOs like this requires a good amount of RNG because if everything was guaranteed, you would have things done in a very very short amount of time, and as this game has shown during 2.1, become a "Once a Week" game where you after you have completed the thing you can do in that one week, you don't log back on for the rest of it.

If they were to remove things like the RNG component of the Atmas, as many want, for them to stretch out the time it would take to acquire them, which they want, they would have to add a bunch of other things that are hard gated by time, and that by itself would just piss people off and STILL make it a "Once a Week" type of deal.

[fergalicious]

You aren't suffering. It's an optional side quest in a video game, get over it.

Its a lame and unfair quest in a video game that should be changed for more people to enjoy, get over it.

If you don't like the quest being made easier you can just do 500 extra fates and pretend they didn't change it.

[Shyluv]

Took me longer than a week to get all of my atma. First 2 days I spent around four hours each and got nothing. Then on the third day I got 4 drops in 3 hours. Next 3 days I spent the whole time grinding fates with a few breaks and got nothing.

Someone in my fc got 2 drops in one day, and then nothing for a whole week. Until just yesterday. Now he only has 3 left to get.

Yet, coil... I spent months trying to get healer gear. Only got 3 pieces of it before 2.2.

RNG is RNG.

[Sygmaelle]

Way to implement failed argument #2, you clearly read my original post.

Also, I wish I could work for it like others. Unfortunately, everyone has to work for it in their own personal universe of random chance. If my ATMAs take me 500 hours to farm and your take 14, did we work for it the same?

Yes, the same item. Nobody care about the amount of hours. I did read, you just don't want to understand but hey, nice try.

Funniest part is that people are actually complainin for a ilvl 100 weapon that they won't even be able to finish before at least, bare minimum, 2 months just because of the design, like you said. So if its designed that way, why the hell you even bother to complain about how low and unfair the drop rate is.

Spoiler : loot rng is based on rng. Can't stand that generation of spoiled gamers, its like readin Blizzard forums all over again when it's about looting legendaries in Diablo "omg it doesnt drop enough" "omg the affixes are so crap" "OMG X PLAYER GOT SO MUCH MORE THAN ME BUT WHY ON EARTH WHY"

These are ridiculous numbers and in my oppinion we should have either RNG or a lockout, not both.
If we have lockouts, then we should have tokens that we can turn in for items.

It's actually a point I've raised in one of my earlier posts, and funnily enough, more serious people didn't complain about it in 20 different threads that got 15 pages each.

[charlemagne]

I shouted at the screen when they didn't drop for the nth time, I swore "just one more fate and then I'm giving up" so many times, I was infuriated and frustrated in equal measure. It took ages. But if I'm honest, I wouldn't have it any other way.

[KyahAlmasy]

D:

Yeah, I haven't even really tried because of how difficult everyone is saying it is. Not really worth my time. >.<

[Keoeson]

Spoiler : loot rng is based on rng.

Spoiler: Everyone saying "rng is rng" has no idea how rng actually work.
There's no single magical rng. We don't know how SE rng works precisly, but we see it at work for crafters/gatherers and there it shows highly unusual distribution patterns. Assuming it's the same, it's safe to say it's highly unfair in this situation.