Leves should be removed or atleast downplayed for overall gameplay?

[_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_]

y is it fine that the most dull and boring thing is the best for exp

Why is it that you're arguing in favor of removing all variety and forcing people to do full-party exp-grinding?

read the first post again and ffs please stop qqing about grammer on a forum

This thread has, at this moment, a little over 100 posts. 65 of those posts are from the OP. 65 of those posts are largely unreadable but early translations indicate that many of them are off-topic or yelling at people who know how to spell. The others seem to consist of telling anyone who disagrees with the OP that they're wrong.

i mean just what it says partying should be the best way of getting exp and by best i mean the fastest way of getting exp and sp
but it shouldnt be the only way to lv up there should be other ways like behest and leves that give less exp but are easier to do more convenient and doesnt take a long time to do with repeatability viable (yes ive said this alot becuase it was awesome) campaign in ff11 it didnt give exp anywhere near partying yet it was fun and very convenient to do and i enjoyed doing it when i got bored of partying

leves ruin progress because in a mmorpg the solo aspect of the game should never be the main progress model of the game if u want to play by urself and talk to ppl buy an offline game and play it while ur on facebook

Campaign was terrible. It was the most dull and boring thing in the most dull and boring expansion S-E ever made for FFXI. It also gave a terrible, terrible exp/hour ratio.

I wish you had mentioned that you love Campaign in the first post somewhere. (Maybe you did? I dunno, you really should learn how to spell.) We could've just looked at that post, seen that you have absolutely terrible taste, and ignored this thread completely.

[danny52844]

Why is it that you're arguing in favor of removing all variety and forcing people to do full-party exp-grinding?



This thread has, at this moment, a little over 100 posts. 65 of those posts are from the OP. 65 of those posts are largely unreadable but early translations indicate that many of them are off-topic or yelling at people who know how to spell. The others seem to consist of telling anyone who disagrees with the OP that they're wrong.



Campaign was terrible. It was the most dull and boring thing in the most dull and boring expansion S-E ever made for FFXI. It also gave a terrible, terrible exp/hour ratio.

I wish you had mentioned that you love Campaign in the first post somewhere. (Maybe you did? I dunno, you really should learn how to spell.) We could've just looked at that post, seen that you have absolutely terrible taste, and ignored this thread completely.

lol harsh btw wow i did respond alot (32 i counted well now its 33 ._.) im not saying campaign should be the only thing they should make other things like they are with dungoens and grand companys btw why do u keep saying im hating on ppl when ur posts are doing that to me tbh i didnt make what this thread was about rly clear and was just trying to communcate that through the thread i guess its all about how u read what i say to think if im beat mean or not but if u think im bashing u just read another thread :|

btw who actually thought campaign was bad XD i <3'd doing that every now and then

[_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_]

lol harsh btw wow i did respond alot (32 i counted well now its 33 ._.) im not saying campaign should be the only thing they should make other things like they are with dungoens and grand companys btw why do u keep saying im hating on ppl when ur posts are doing that to me tbh i didnt make what this thread was about rly clear and was just trying to communcate that through the thread i guess its all about how u read what i say to think if im beat mean or not but if u think im bashing u just read another thread :|

btw who actually thought campaign was bad XD i <3'd doing that every now and then

Campaign was fun as a "from time to time" thing, sure. But as a core component of an expansion, as a primary activity? Utterly horrendous. It required no thought, no planning, no responsibility. You just show up and the clock starts running. Granted, it improved on Besieged in many ways but at least Besieged had the decency of being a rare occurrence with real consequences.

Compared to Campaign, regular exp grinding was preferable. You couldn't just throw a bunch of people together and call it a party: you needed a party design, whether "traditional" tank+healer or one of the "burn" style parties, it took some degree of planning to make it work; Campaign required no such planning. It took cooperation and teamwork to make a party function: one person screwing around can get everyone killed; Campaign required no such effort. It had greater rewards and greater consequences in the death penalty; Campaign had no penalty. Campaign was "easymode." It was the easiest of the easy.

I'd rather FFXIV force party play than have it go back to a Campaign model. But I'd rather they fix leves than force party play.

I dislike leves as they are now, but there's no reason they can't be salvaged. Exp grinding needs a major overhaul now too, but there's no reason that can't be salvaged either. I don't want leves to be the main attraction, as I've said before, but there's no reason to strip them completely from the game.

[danny52844]

Campaign was fun as a "from time to time" thing, sure. But as a core component of an expansion, as a primary activity? Utterly horrendous. It required no thought, no planning, no responsibility. You just show up and the clock starts running. Granted, it improved on Besieged in many ways but at least Besieged had the decency of being a rare occurrence with real consequences.

Compared to Campaign, regular exp grinding was preferable. You couldn't just throw a bunch of people together and call it a party: you needed a party design, whether "traditional" tank+healer or one of the "burn" style parties, it took some degree of planning to make it work; Campaign required no such planning. It took cooperation and teamwork to make a party function: one person screwing around can get everyone killed; Campaign required no such effort. It had greater rewards and greater consequences in the death penalty; Campaign had no penalty. Campaign was "easymode." It was the easiest of the easy.

I'd rather FFXIV force party play than have it go back to a Campaign model. But I'd rather they fix leves than force party play.

I dislike leves as they are now, but there's no reason they can't be salvaged. Exp grinding needs a major overhaul now too, but there's no reason that can't be salvaged either. I don't want leves to be the main attraction, as I've said before, but there's no reason to strip them completely from the game.

thx for not insulting me this post atleast
but whats wrong with having time to time events
if u have enough things that u can do anytime u want that also level u up or progress u through the game ull never really get stuck into a rut like in 11
one day i wanna do campaign 2(20k exp a new peice of armor) hours later pt 2 hours (40k exp) after that its dungoen time 2 (14k exp better armor than campaign) hours after that company time (idk if companys will be story ro not but if thier a side thing than 30k and gil) after that leve's(varies rates of exp and items/$ reward) after that something that isnt out yet idk i know it might seem like a bad thing but if a game has a good strong backbone (like apt ) with many many other things to do i dont see whats wrong