2.2 has sucked all the fun out of the game...

[Taruranto]

^ this. This game has always been marketed as a casual game. Then 2.2 comes and locks out 90% of the players from the new content. Good job SE keeping the top 10% happy and giving them something to brag about. The other 90% will just contemplate quitting in the meantime.

Uh? The only content that is really "Locked out" is the new coil, since it requires a very skilled and organized team.

If you think battles like Leviathan aren't casual, then you have no idea what a true hardcore experience is.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

Uh? The only content that is really "Locked out" is the new coil, since it requires a very skilled and organized team.

If you think battles like Leviathan aren't casual, then you have no idea what a true hardcore experience is.

The majority of players in this game can't even try Leviathan because they are locked out of it being stuck on titan ex.

[Taruranto]

The majority of players in this game can't even try Leviathan because they are locked out of it being stuck on titan ex.

Then get good and do Titan Exe, ffs. They even added echo buff so you can go there under-geared.

Jesus, it's just 1 freacking fight. You think that's hard? Try doing CoP.

[Jinko]

Then get good and do Titan Exe, ffs. They even added echo buff so you can go there under-geared.

Jesus, it's just 1 freacking fight. You think that's hard? Try doing CoP.

Apples and Oranges, CoP was hard for different reasons, not because of latency and lag effecting players standing in AoE zones.

Echo buff does nothing if you are knocked off the edge because you thought you were out of a landslide when in actual fact you weren't.

[Awrini]

Apples and Oranges, CoP was hard for different reasons, not because of latency and lag effecting players standing in AoE zones.

Echo buff does nothing if you are knocked off the edge because you thought you were out of a landslide when in actual fact you weren't.

Latency and lag are a sizable amount lower now as opposed to rerelease. If you are still having that issue, maybe you should start looking for problems on your end.

[Kimikryo]

Uh? The only content that is really "Locked out" is the new coil, since it requires a very skilled and organized team.

If you think battles like Leviathan aren't casual, then you have no idea what a true hardcore experience is.

Unless you beat in FFXI the following (while still in Lvl 75 time) .. just to mention some:
Pandemonium Warden, Absolute Virtue, Each and every VHNM that was conisdered hard ... and to certain extend Dynamis Xarcabard, Dynamis in CoP areas, finished Aegis/Gjallerhorn
You neither have an idea what "true" hardcore experience is.

Oh and CoP Airship fight, was annoying, but not as annoying as any Titan encounter.

For a lot of people in this game Titan Ex and also Titan HM are hardcore and very far away from casual. Not having done Leviathan yet, I wouldn't be surprised if some would consider him too Hardcore

In FFXIV the idea of Hardcore is different in almost everyone. Come on Atma farming isn't hardcore .. it is just tedious

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That said, I too feel 2.2 has kinda sucked out the fun. But not because Atma farming is annoying. Not because certain encounters only can be done when Titan Ex has been cleared.
Everything pre 2.2 feels even more cookie cutter than before. People where before 2.2 quite nasty when it came to coil drops. Now 1-5 is a "Well at least I cleared it 1oo times" because people greed on everything

The community became even more toxic..... or maybe it's just balmung.

[MrEzekial]

Unless you beat in FFXI the following (while still in Lvl 75 time) .. just to mention some:
Pandemonium Warden, Absolute Virtue, Each and every VHNM that was conisdered hard ... and to certain extend Dynamis Xarcabard, Dynamis in CoP areas, finished Aegis/Gjallerhorn
You neither have an idea what "true" hardcore experience is.

No one beat AV without exploits.
No one beat PW until it was nerfed due to bad press.
Having a relic pre-dynamis change just proved you were a selfish and manipulative.
Ground Kings were only rewarded to whoever had the best packet bot.

All 3 of those things were horribly designed, and I wouldn't classify any of them as hardcore--just stupid. Mostly only the people that played through RMT, or tagging along with people who did got to experience those things.

The problem is tediousness as you said, and it needs to be addressed.

[Kimikryo]

No one beat AV without exploits.
No one beat PW until it was nerfed due to bad press.
Having a relic pre-dynamis change just proved you were a selfish and manipulative.
Ground Kings were only rewarded to whoever had the best packet bot.

All 3 of those things were horribly designed, and I wouldn't classify any of them as hardcore--just stupid. Mostly only the people that played through RMT, or tagging along with people who did got to experience those things.

The problem is tediousness as you said, and it needs to be addressed.

I knew several people that had their Relic before the Dynamis change, and out of those 8 people only 3 were absolute (insert cuss word of choice). All others helped every member that wanted a Relic with dynamis. The funds were othervise used to get Medicine for specific fights when needed.


True those things were "stupid" but in FFXI times this was considered Hardcore. To be even able to get close to kill AV or PW you needed to invest either lots of gil or insane amount of time. Oh and AV got killed on Bahamut without exploits. A close friend of mine did it (well after Abyssea but still not "easy")

My EG LS claimed Fafninr, Behemoth several times and once also Nidhogg (which we had give away because several people at once had a DC because of poweroutage in their region). At that time we did not have claim bots. I left the LS for good when the Leader began to explain that he now will start using claimbots, I won't help anyone that uses such tools.

While I dislike Abyssea for what it has done to the game, you could have fun in it. The Hardcore aspect probably only the time you needed to get the things you wanted, but Farming Briaerus sure was soemthing else