Is this your first Final Fantasy? Or do you just not remember grinding in past games?

[SendohJin]

or don't remember it because they didn't consider it grinding, every FF game is a grind fest, especially the supposed "BEST FF TO EVER EXIST, FFVII!" - If you wanted multiple rare materia, you had to grind AP to master and 'clone' the materia.

you don't think that's important for them to design the game in such a way that the grind actually feels fun for people? level capping Lv 50 players is not fun.

i don't remember FFVII telling me i can't use Knights of the Round after i got it.

[CamAlch]

you don't think that's important for them to design the game in such a way that the grind actually feels fun for people?

This is the real issue at hand.

I am very happy that they implemented a grind for upgrading relics. In fact I would have liked to have seen it be even more in depth and time consuming, I agree that people shouldn't have their Animus Weapons already. However, the design was a bit on the lazy side, they could have done something more interesting and fun.

[Zwipe]

you don't think that's important for them to design the game in such a way that the grind actually feels fun for people? level capping Lv 50 players is not fun.

i don't remember FFVII telling me i can't use Knights of the Round after i got it.

The only time grinding becomes unbearable is when you want it, "NOW! NOW! NOW!"

And where did you get this unusable Knights of the Round stuff? You lost me.

[SendohJin]

The only time grinding becomes unbearable is when you want it, "NOW! NOW! NOW!"

And where did you get this unusable Knights of the Round stuff? You lost me.

level capped FATEs means you can't use all the abilities that you've earned. i can grind Lv 50 dungeons forever.