Truth about Echo

[Lyein]

My personal anecdote: went into Garuda EX and got a main tank that had apparently gone on hiatus until 2.2 launched. Somehow he decided Garuda EX was a great way to warm back up to the game. So he tanked Garuda too close to the center and all the pillars died- Mistral wipe. Says he's good now and we try again; loses hate on his sister (thought flash X2 would take care of it) we wipe. Doesn't provoke the spiney plume and we all get blasted and quickly wipe. Totes got it now. Runs through three windburns right after that phase and quickly goes down.

"Ask questions if you need help"

"No I got it now. Just forgot some things."

Forgets the second spiney plume and we wipe. So much echo we have the spiney plume detonate again, but we live through it. One sister doesn't go down and just barely scrape through the hit- Garuda comes to wipe us up.


While the echo is nice and does give you more leniency... that one bad egg that just doesn't get it will still kill the whole party. Its really just a matter of making up for someone dying during a DPS phase or saving a healer from having to cast a raise someone that would have died.

[EUdoomtrain]

If someone is bad he's bad and no amount of echo will help BUT there are ppl with slight lag spikes from time to time or just on medium skill lv and echo buff will help them. My last Titan HM was like that, we had to had 40%buff to beat it but still 3 ppl were dead at end.
Still echo has one plus even thou my team was 75% noob I gave the run a chance because I though that echo could give them a chance to win. Before echo was implemented I would quit after the first shitty try that I saw.

[Wicc]

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Dress a bad player in i155 gear. If they're bad, they're bad

I definitely agree! I like the IDEA of an Echo, but the way it is implemented is that people who don't want to try will run off the edge or into the wall until they get a good buff. Then again, this is always bound to happen as a majority of the player base wants things handed to them. Honestly, this is why I will only do EX runs and coil with my FC. Unfortunately, not everyone has that much luck

What grinds my gears is trying to give advice to someone in a pug group. I did a CT run with pug healers (back story: my character on my other server is a SCH) This SCH kept doing nothing but Adlo and Succor. So I told her nicely just my personal advice on how SCH should heal to make it easy (Since I was a BRD that run and had to do MP song every fight) She yells at me, telling me that I don't know because I'm not a healer, and then we all wipe.

TL;DR: People are bad regardless

[Orophin]

I have learned that even with a 25% buff and i80+ gear on Titan Ex, if you can't dodge crap or don't know what you're doing, you're still going to fail.

(It was quite amusing seeing 450 DPS on him though)

[Ryios]

Rewarding players for sucking is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. It sucks so much I don't even want to start playing this game again to experience the new patch. I can just picture it now,

-Go to titan ex (which I had on farm before I quit without echo)
"Just keep failing guys, stack the echo buff!"

So stupid.

[Lyein]

Rewarding players for sucking is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. It sucks so much I don't even want to start playing this game again to experience the new patch.
So stupid.

I agree with the concept behind it- if you couldn't quite hack it it'll push you over the edge, particularly if you have the skills but not the gear. Echo should allow skilled players to gear up through early content faster. However, it works like communism. Perfect until people get involved. The presence the Echo is bringing out many unskilled players to finally try their hand again, and to keep going even when they wipe terribly 4 times because of the buff.

Bad people are counter-acting the benefits of the buff and its purpose. I only hope that in a week or two they've finished their practicing, but I have known a good number of players that this type of content is just beyond even with experience.

[alhandra]

- don't stand in more than 1 bomb, but don't try to dodge them all;
- don't move from less than 2 Weights unless you are a smn/brd who can dps while running.

this is the worst advice ive ever seen for titan hardmode aside from the not getting hit by landslides part pretty much every bit of it is wrong.

- never get hit by bombs, not even 1, the phases that come after bombs will kill you if you arent at full or near full hp, so getting hit by even one bomb puts unnecessary strain on your healers, one bomb can very easily kill an undergeared or low hp person

- always dodge plumes, even one. again for the reason listed above, taking avoidable damage will get you killed by unavoidable damage. i dont care who you are, healer blm smn or brd, get your ass out of the plume the second it appears. DO NOT FINISH CASTING, surviving is more important than your dps

[Arkghyom]

Can't please them all!

[Emtron]

If you all leave can I have your stuff.

[Riardon]

I don't like the idea of the Echo buff. I understand the reasons behind the echo buff but that buff is ridiculous. Ifrit HM was the easiest Primal and with this buff you can beat it with almost closed eyes. Garuda the same. Titan HM is done with 1 run now. That buff is way overpowered. I can understand lvl 1 and and 2 but its just too much. It requires no effort at all. Don't like when contenct is so heavily nerfed. Making a bit easier I understand but this is too much. Till now I'm not very impressed by this patch. Also I don't agree how they decided to call some Primals HM. For example Leviathan was so easy that we beat it on 1st try with all group being 1st timers. It's just too easy. I know there are no drops from him or such but its just too easy for my likes. Generally the patch content seem too easy for me. A little challenge never hurt anyone. I don't say lets make everything super hard and such but from the other side its just so easy that you don't even try anymore. Also the idea with the RNG Atmas is really bad and I think almost everyone agrees with that. Anyway all these are my personal opinion. Patch 2.1 seemed better for me.