Truth about Echo

[Cherie]

Mandatory wipes are the new norm!

This is why people shouldn't beg for nerfs.... ; ;

It is a well intentioned nerf and maybe it will succeed in some servers.... But I live in the west, and I think here people are just going to be lazy. If there is a way to do something with less effort, people are going to do it. If it makes it take longer and be more inconvenient, it's not a big deal to most. All they care about is they don't have to try as hard. Which means they can sit there while eating their lunch and watching tv at the same time as wiping your Titans... :P

[Licus]

There is new content for people who can't dodge. People who can't manage difficult content should just stick to the other content or find other ways to improve their performance (ping zapper, practice, research etc etc etc) so they can down the harder content.

Even in wow, raids were never nerfed to the point where people could roll their face across their key boards and win. The echo buff allows people who were on the cusp of being able to win before succeed now. I am glad there are mechanics that no amount of echo buff will help. At some point, people should have to earn loot, even if the fight was made easier via a group buff.

[Haizen]

So I tried Titan HM today for my relic. It just wasn't going to happen. We failed so many times I lost count ( several different parties).

I understand it is "end game" content, but for many people it is just too hard. Combined with lag, it is impossible. This is the content that makes you loose players, and money.

Sure, some people can do it, but you will loose friends because of it. They will just stop playing. I already see the beginnings of our group breaking up because of content like this.

They just want to have fun, and Titan HM isn't.

[Zwipe]

I pugged Titan HM earlier and got to max echo buff (50%) with two separate groups...still no win. Echo is no replacement for knowing the fights. I think the Echo's true purpose is to give incentive to stick around.

[jamesrandal]

Maybe SQ thinks we're all bats and that we need to echo locate our way around :P

[HReincarnate]

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I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend - but having done titan hm for a month before I finally beat it, your statement kind of annoys me. It's not supposed to be doable in one day, it wouldn't be endgame otherwise.

Also, titan is mainly about memorising his rotation and using your knowledge of what comes next to dodge accordingly. It took me less than a week after I looked up a visual guide for his rotation to beat him, and I'm not that skilled of a player :P

After you've got the rotation down he becomes relatively easy to beat. It just needs to click and you'll rarely struggle with him. (Though you still need a decent group).

Try this http://i.imgur.com/IVRmCoM.jpg , it should help.
Good luck.

[Necato]

(Though you still need a decent group).

This is the real difficulty with Titan EX. 1 people out before heart phase (especially a DPS) and you might as well jump.
That and the latency, of course. Yesterday was as bad as the Mondays regarding latency and 90Ks

[Haizen]

My biggest issue is having dodge mechanics of such intensity in a game with lag. It just becomes luck.

[ShinigamiB06]

you honestly have to be the next generation of whiner and hater to complain about a BUFF

[XiaoliVorgan]

Echo buff likely works, its just that since the patch released, a whole bunch of people who probably usually stayed out of dungeons decided to try it and now we're all playing together. It's no longer "the pros who know every single mechanic." it's now also "the pros who are -learning- the new stuffs, mixed with tons of ppl who are probably giving dungeons a chance now."

Give it a couple of weeks, watch it even out to how it was before everything was brand new. All the "experts" will have memorized everything, it will become boring to them, people will figure out their quickest farm route and begin making your typical PF teams of "i9000115 only, 1 death = we hang and kick you, nsa security clearance only" teams.

On the first day, even the most pompous tweedles can't run a dungeon they don't know and expect their usual speed run. Everyone is trying to learn so the tweedles don't have room to bitch about learning 2 day old dungeons.