Atma Farming. Thank you SE :)

[Jinko]

A few words for the people complaining about this. "The RPG games is about grind, sorry but if you dont like grind avoid play rpg/mmrpgs".

I prefer lose 300k of our playerbase and keep 1.5 millions PLEASED, with long terms goals.

Yea you are right, but there is a line where grind is acceptable and is not for a lot of people, its still hard to say where that line is because this is still new, but looking at these forums its 50/50.

I am all for long term goals but there is better ways to go about it than this IMO.

If SE wanted to make FATE more popular they should have made a better system, where there was more challenge and team work, instead of kicking the crap out of a mob with no level of challenge besides hitting it before it dies.

For me its not really about the grind, its that I hate the FATE system because of its zerg and go nature which does nothing for team work and community spirit.

[Elazu]

Of course we haven't achieved anything. Heck, even to get the original relic when it came out, the trials (Chimera, Hydra, Hard mode primals) required more of the player's skill than these jokes. FATEs? Levequests, Dungeon bosses? Really!? The difficulty of this relic is a joke compared to just unlocking the original, the (most likely huge) time sink required to complete it, unless you are lucky, is substantially higher. Don't mistake the two, they are worlds apart.

Exactly.

I have no idea where this notion of tedious+long grind = difficulty came from.

[Gramul]

Do you even have a Relic?

Does it matter? Do you mean to critique me, or the Atma Fate system?

[Dhex]

Does it matter? Do you mean to critique me, or the Atma Fate system?

It does change how I value your critique. If you're not doing this content and don't have a Relic your opinion is nothing more than hollow words.

[Hyrist]

Yea you are right, but there is a line where grind is acceptable and is not for a lot of people, its still hard to say where that line is because this is still new, but looking at these forums its 50/50.

I am all for long term goals but there is better ways to go about it than this IMO.

If SE wanted to make FATE more used they should have made a better system, where there was more challenge and team work, instead of kicking the crap out of a mob with no level of challenge besides hitting it before it dies.

For me its not really about the grind, its that I hate the FATE system because of its zerg and go natures which does nothing for team work and community spirit.

That would betray the design of FATE being casual content, now wouldn't it?


The type of fights you're seeking, primary come form Guildhests, in which I would love for them to flesh those kinds of activities out more and make them more prevalent than where they are now.

Open world and co-ordination doesn't work unless you limit accessibility, which, again, betrays the point of casual content.

What SE has done is fill a void half way - long term Goal-orientated content is filled, but targeted towards a more casual play-style. Hardcore players looking for continual challenge are still dealing with lockouts. This goal-orientated content isn't targetd towards them. Not sure how SE could implement something similar that would, except 'Kill [Primal] Extreme x number of times.' And honestly, Coil already fills that Gear-niche.

It does change how I value your critique. If you're not doing this content and don't have a Relic your opinion is nothing more than hollow words.

That, is a very hostile environment of discussion you are breeding, appealing only to the hardest of hardcore players. Which, of couse, with all but 2 relics in your position you'd feel comfortable with.

But I, in no way, can condone that type of behavior. His subscription is active, and the content is content he has to consider through, and weighing in his subscription to enjoy or chose not to enjoy.

I note that you are not yet through the first Coil. Should someone who has completed Coil disrespect your words because you could not complete it before the update?

[CYoung187]

Those complaining about RNG, would you rather the quest say here complete 80 fates in each area and you are done? Talk about tedious. At least every time I finish a fate I know there is a chance I can move on.

So much whine after 1 day, I would rather see people doing fates while waiting for queues instead of spamming aoes in Mor Dhona.

[mythicrose]

It does change how I value your critique. If you're not doing this content and don't have a Relic your opinion is nothing more than hollow words.

You can always use the lodestone to guess whether or not he does. Seeing as the only mount he has is the company chocobo, he's not completed the main story yet to even start a relic.

Topic at hand : I don't mind grinds that can be quantified and tracked. I do not like RNG grinds (especially low probability RNG grinds) on old, irrelevant content like FATEs.

[CYoung187]

You can always use the lodestone to guess whether or not he does. Seeing as the only mount he has is the company chocobo, he's not completed the main story yet to even start a relic.

Topic at hand : I don't mind grinds that can be quantified and tracked. I do not like RNG grinds (especially low probability RNG grinds) on old, irrelevant content like FATEs.

"Ugh filthy casual, your opinion doesn't count"

He must be ashamed that he isn't as hardcore as everyone else.

[Gramul]

It does change how I value your critique. If you're not doing this content and don't have a Relic your opinion is nothing more than hollow words.

I don't take kindly to fallacy Dhex.
Just because I haven't achieved that position in the game doesn't mean I don't understand that others do like it, nor does that mean I haven't experienced it before. Hell, I might not even pursue atma when the time comes.
Here is my lodestone if you want to see what I've done (It's mostly crafting really):
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2425356/

If you want to continue the discussion, I ask that you address the main point I've been pressing:
This is an option. There are other paths to powerful weapons and you're not required to chose this road.

Seeing as the only mount he has is the company chocobo, he's not completed the main story yet to even start a relic.

You may be looking at my old Legacy character, which only has the Legacy Chocobo.

You're right on everything else, but I at least plan on completing the story this weekend. Wish me luck.

[Vactus]

The logic behind of this. Square wish we go to Grind FATES for help lv up the Newbies or people lving another job.

The same story is for the insane amount of instances the tanks need play for get their mount. This will aleviate the lacks of tank, during a several weeks.

Well with the tank mount, it doesn't help alleviate anything. It's only Ex Primals and Coil. Not exactly areas lacking tanks, well maybe Garuda Ex, but thanks to PF/DF we (tanks) can avoid the couple of things we don't like. The 200 runs does nothing for the community that doesn't already have statics or a loose group of people they can play with.