Atma Farming. Thank you SE :)

[Hyrist]

grinding fates is just tedious, boring and time consuming. it requires no skill at all.

Neither did walking back and forth on the world map, queuing random encounters to level characters and farm items needed.

But it was relaxing. It passed the time while listening to music and socializing with friends, and occasionally something interesting or new was discovered that was overlooked.

For many employments, it doesn't take skill to achieve a paycheck, beyond the baseline. And Repetition makes anything a grind. At least this brings people out into the open world more. Honestly they can (and should) improve on FATEs to make them less grindy. I doubt they will as any further complexity in FATEs pushes into Leve territory, but one can always hope.

[ZephyrAM]

What must be remembered is that this Relic progression is an 'alternative' to gearing through raids. Thus, if grinding on Primals or Coil for Soldiery tomes or boss drops is more your thing, have at it. Those options are there, and even provide higher iLvl weapons currently, while Relic is something that can be worked on solo, through very different means.

To each their own.

[BloodPact]

It really doesn't feel like you achieved something, since you just mindlessly mash some buttons, probably while watching TV.

Of course we haven't achieved anything. Heck, even to get the original relic when it came out, the trials (Chimera, Hydra, Hard mode primals) required more of the player's skill than these jokes. FATEs? Levequests, Dungeon bosses? Really!? The difficulty of this relic is a joke compared to just unlocking the original, the (most likely huge) time sink required to complete it, unless you are lucky, is substantially higher. Don't mistake the two, they are worlds apart.

[BoboTheHobo]

I don't mind fate grinding that much but when you synch and it's lvl 7 (which is where I've gotten my ONLY stone in 2 1/2 hrs of grinding) and you have 2 spells that just sucks... oh well fire fire fire fire fire bliz bliz bliz. Instead of paying 100k gil for a carry (like they did with titan) I might just go get a day laborer and pay him 50 bucks a day to grind for me lol.

[Totobi]

So, people prefer spending tons of time zerging things with no real challenge, rather than having something be remotely challenging and take less time? Oh god, we're becoming FFXI...

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Is this a troll thread or what

I don't even

[Gramul]

Massive time sinks = achieving something?

Yes. Just like in real life, if you can't commit to the time and patience, you won't be rewarded.
If you want to go for a different weapon route, do it. You don't need the atma weapons.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Yes. Just like in real life, if you can't commit to the time and patience, you won't be rewarded.
If you want to go for a different weapon route, do it. You don't need the atma weapons.

..Real life requires skills as well, usually.

[Gramul]

..Real life requires skills as well, usually.

Well yeah. But that skill requires commitment and practice. That's where the whole concept of leveling up comes from.
Point is, some people do like this sort of content and those that don't are free to pursue other gear.

Some people want to test their agility and tactics against bosses, some people want to test their patience and endurance. This is fine. We can both live together. We don't need to be demanding that the other side conform to our ideals when both are valid options.

[Naunet]

I'm having a hard time understanding the people who enjoy spamming an AoE/instant cast spell on level 10 mobs for hours on end in order to upgrade their endgame weapon.