Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Pibz]

A question concerning the ATMA items:
Do I Need all 12 items for one upgrade or is one enough? And if one is enough is there a difference in the upgraded weapon depending on which item i used (so 12 possible atma weapons per Job?)

Thanks for the answers

You need all 12

[Benjif]

It really makes me laugh that people are crying about this, one day into it. Obviously never played FFXI. The 75 relics weapons took YEARS to get. YEARS to farm and save the MILLIONS of gil to buy the items!!! If you want some instant gratification go play some FTP/PTW game.

[CSX]

Can't really compare this to XI, because Dynamis was fun, well for me anyways. You got to sit there in Zone with like 40+ people talking it up, lulzing (or raging) at bad pulls just having a good time. This though, while it isn't as bad as other games I've played; kinda sucks. . .It's so boring my mind went numb. . .like literally it went numb, I couldn't feel my head. Sigh. . .

[Mitternacht]

It really makes me laugh that people are crying about this, one day into it. Obviously never played FFXI. The 75 relics weapons took YEARS to get. YEARS to farm and save the MILLIONS of gil to buy the items!!! If you want some instant gratification go play some FTP/PTW game.

Just because one bad thing is not as bad as something else doesn't make it good.

Given how they want to throttle progression on this and only use existing mechanics there's not a lot of options in terms of implementation. However having made it say, do 50-100 FATEs in twelve different zones would still have people complaining (about grinding) but at least when someone spent time on it they'd have something to show for it. Also, the RNG is a terrible throttling mechanic since obviously some people get really really lucky and finish in a relatively trivial amount of time (there's a paladin on reddit that completed Atmas in only 10~12 hours) and some people get really really unlucky and may not see all of them two to three months from now.

Telling people to go to a F2P game... skewed lottery mechanics and insipid RNG grinds are the hallmarks of said games.

[Benjif]

Just because one bad thing is not as bad as something else doesn't make it good.

Telling people to go to a F2P game... skewed lottery mechanics and insipid RNG grinds are the hallmarks of said games.

My comparison was really about the time involved. I dont think i ever once heard someone complain about the time/gil sink from xi Relics. In fact it was so difficult to achieve that it eliminated the possibility of a large portion of the player base from ever getting. But still, no one complained. SE makes it possible for ANYONE to get these zodiacs, with a bit of TIME involved and people break out the torches and pitchforks. As well my comment to FTP/PTW was that you are allowed to just waltz on in, buy the best gear (with your cash) and get to work. Which is apparently what folks want, because they don't want to invest any time into working for it.

[Sunarie]

Which is apparently what folks want, because they don't want to invest any time into working for it.

I disagree. I think plenty of people are like myself, who have no problem at all with the time involved. We actually like step two of the quest which is going to take considerably longer. What we don't like is the FATE portion of it because that is low level and mindless. Doesn't require coordination, grouping, or even knowledge of any class. It reduces people to spamming a single button or two for hours on end with little to no thought involved. I wouldn't be surprised if most people were watching Netflix (which is what I do) while FATE grinding. You don't have to pay attention at all. It's not engaging. So.. I would say all us against the FATES are likely willing to actually put more time in versus people who want the FATE grind cause it's easier than say.. grinding dungeon tomes (which, even if it gets boring, still requires you to pay at least a bit of attention to perform decent).

[Tiggy]

I dont think i ever once heard someone complain about the time/gil sink from xi Relics.

Are you serious? Many people complained.

[Amberion]

Are you serious? Many people complained.

I can't remember people complaining about it. Most people accepted that they would never get it. Maybe it was a server thing, or different community we where in.

[Gukster]

I can't remember people complaining about it. Most people accepted that they would never get it. Maybe it was a server thing, or different community we where in.

Having a community completely ignore something offered is the biggest complaint imaginable... I, for one, completely hated the idea process behind Relics; I WANTED one. IT may not have been openly complaining but whenever relics were mentioned the complaining came and it was pretty much unanimous. Having a community vocal about how stupid something is is better than sitting back and "accepting they would never get it." FFXI Relics were so incredibly dumb and everyone I knew thought the same thing. Now this time sink comes along. Why not give the Atmas from dungeons or something decently fun.

FATE grinding isn't fun (which is why I don't do it to level up my classes), so I'm certainly not looking forward to doing this part of the quest when it's time.

But people complaining about RNG and it taking a long time to do when it hasn't even been 48 hours since the patch was released and there are already people running around with Atma weapons is simply silly.

Let's see if SE caves in to the complaints like they've done before. If they do it means that it's very likely that FFXIV will never have time consuming activities.

Time consuming without fun is something better left dead. I spend 6hrs with nothing to show doing something that's the furthest thing imaginable from fun. Yes, some people have atmas after 48hrs, some have spent a huge majority of that 48hrs and have gotten 2. That just expands how amazingly broken the drop rate is or how vague the quest details are. People have gone gold to gold on any and every FATE in the area with nothing to show, but then some out of blind stupid luck get it on 1 FATE. Do we have to attempt to last hit every single mob? Is there something that wasn't even hinted at in the quest aside from "participating while equipped with a zenith" like the quest stated. No one knows, probably not even most of the people with Atmas.

[Doo]

It really makes me laugh that people are crying about this, one day into it. Obviously never played FFXI. The 75 relics weapons took YEARS to get. YEARS to farm and save the MILLIONS of gil to buy the items!!! If you want some instant gratification go play some FTP/PTW game.

Would be nice to have some new type of "Dynamis" content to get these relics though rather than low lvl reuse fates for weapons that are suppose to be "powerful"