Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

[Kuwagami]

I think it's different cause then I have worked for my gear and didn't get a free buff for it. Also Titan hm is scary. So I'd rather work for my gear and then go for a hard trial than being able to do it without that gear. (Sure it's possible anyways but I'm not that good at dodging stuff)

It's not really different. It's a matter of habits. I'm also pretty bad at dodging (though it comes more easily with trainng. Way far from a natural thing but yet easier), but I never had to be above a full DL to do titan.
the difference between iL70 (iL required for a not-so-hard fight with titan) and iL90 is the same that the echo buff will provide with 3 wipes. More or less. People will even be able to gear at iL100 with the new patch. With that in mind, giving a buff to ease the progress a bit more in order not to drag people behind by needless farm isn't that much a problem. Also, if you don't want the buff, you'll still be able to remove it to experience the "real deal".

You are suppose to stack on top of each other.

Never know why people never did it in hard it only promotes laziness.

because a lot of people would not have even one relic if they did. And by a lot, I mean a big part of players who are farming coil today.

Every single successful Titan HM run that I did was with a non-stacking method, just because you can survive the plumes that way if you mess up. The only moment you *need* to stack is for the stomps, really

Two two things that are really fun in this game so far are coil and EX primals. Our guild is still working on both T5, and Titan EX (mostly due to lag issues on Titan,) and they haven't grown old yet. I like content that is challenging to beat, and I while I can understand the logic behind making the old stuff easier I think they are doing it too fast in XIV. Rather than nerfing the content at this point I think they should work on fixing the lag issues then see how people do and make adjustments. Basically they have a game whose challenge appears to be centered around reacting to things in a timely fashion and we often can't as a result of server lag. This buff they are adding seems more like a band-aid than a fix to me.

you're doing it with your Fc, thus you can remove the buff and will never see the nerf in action. I'm not sure what your issue is here..

[Gormogon]

just because you can survive the plumes that way

You are stacking so everyone moves and avoids a simple mechanic. There's a reason why I mentioned laziness.

[Amberion]

You are stacking so everyone moves and avoids a simple mechanic. There's a reason why I mentioned laziness.

Nah, stacking sucked on HM. Standing in a line behind titan is/was better. That way even if someone messed up and only took a step or two, they would only get hit by their own.. Well unless they took those steps forwards or backwards.

[Kuwagami]

You are stacking so everyone moves and avoids a simple mechanic. There's a reason why I mentioned laziness.

There is a reason a lot (if not pretty much all but a few) PUG fail at titan, either HM or EX version. And that reason is called "plumes". If it was such a simple mechanic, everyone would have a relic weapon, and that statement is all but true.

Also, you forgot the main factor which determines if you'll be able to beat titan or not : lag. If you lag (and a lot of people do), no matter how hard you try or know the fight, you won't dodge the plumes. Thanksfully enough, not stacking allows you to live through it.

But yeah I know : "lag doesn't exist. People invented that excuse to justify them being horribad"

[Vahlnir]

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Lag is a factor on Titan but I can't say it's the biggest, but I have experienced it there and elsewhere. I do agree with you otherwise though. Plumes tend to catch people by surprise even if they knew they were coming. The biggest issue in my own experience concerning Titan hasn't been so much the plumes as it has been the dps race of the Heart phase. Even if the group makes it past that, a fair amount of people have no idea what comes next so it's a wipe not long after. These people's numbers may have decreased since I've been there which has been a few months(beat it after weeks of trying, haven't been back since) but that is where I see the most problems. Everyone's experience varies though.

[Gormogon]

Nah, stacking sucked on HM. Standing in a line behind titan is/was better. That way even if someone messed up and only took a step or two, they would only get hit by their own.. Well unless they took those steps forwards or backwards.

I see so many horrible wipes that shouldn't happen in dungeons, hardmode, extremes, and even BCs that I just wish I didn't have to bother with these repair bills because 1 person f'd up and it's nearly impossible to recuperate from his/her mistake.

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I've had lag before and even with lag I was avoid a lot of titan's mechanics. Most people don't because they just get so used to waiting for the indicators to appear before moving that laziness stems from the fact that they are hoping that they wont be the target for said mechanic.

[Noahlimits]

You are suppose to stack on top of each other.

Never know why people never did it in hard it only promotes laziness.

I totally agree that stacking is better. But it causes people with "lag" to get one shot instead of just eating a single plume and living. I use the term lag loosely.

[Gormogon]

I totally agree that stacking is better. But it causes people with "lag" to get one shot instead of just eating a single plume and living. I use the term lag loosely.

People with lag will eventually be dying to other mechanics such as geo crush, landslide, gaol, or upheaval.

[Kuwagami]

I've had lag before and even with lag I was avoid a lot of titan's mechanics. Most people don't because they just get so used to waiting for the indicators to appear before moving that laziness stems from the fact that they are hoping that they wont be the target for said mechanic.

I have lag and I can avoid a lot of Titan Ex mechanics. Because I learned when they come and what's the delay before they appear effectively on my screen. Yet, I cannot move preemptively as you're suggesting to do. Because moving preemptively if you stack is a sure way to damage/kill ALL your party, and you really want to avoid that in Titan.
That makes that I have to wait for the indicator (the true one => cast bar) to show before moving, and that makes me die stupidly half of the time, because the indicator showed after the damage applied.

But one thing I'd like you to avoid : don't assume people don't do XX stuff because of XX reason. Assuming they are bad is an elitist PoV. Assuming they hide the fact they are bad behind the "lag excuse" is being a jerk above the elitist PoV. Assuming they should be able to do it because you did it is a complete non sense as, obviously enough, they are not you, so there is no way something that you can do, they could do the same just because you did. They may or may not succeed, but it won't be because you did it and thus proved anyone can do it.

[Gormogon]

But one thing I'd like you to avoid : don't assume people don't do XX stuff because of XX reason.

Practice what you preach then.