Crafting Needs a Place in Endgame Raiding

[Docent]

Farming your own mats but ending up with a NQ piece would allow you to STILL make a couple hundred thousand in profits since you paid nothing to make it.

I don't disagree with all you're saying, but this little bit is plain wrong.

Opportunity cost. If I'm sitting on 900k of Potashes, and turn it into a 600k robe, I don't make 600k, I lose 300k.

It's still a higher RoI (Return on Investment) than plain dropping the robe (which is 900k loss).

Every time a crafter attempts to make something, there is a chance we won't HQ (unless you have a 100% HQ recipe/crafting set, which is pretty hard to get). If an item is worth X, and has 90% to HQ, you have to factor in that 10% chance of ending up with a loss when you calculate in in your average profit margins, otherwise, you're better off just selling the mats.

[Zumi]

Every time a crafter attempts to make something, there is a chance we won't HQ (unless you have a 100% HQ recipe/crafting set, which is pretty hard to get). If an item is worth X, and has 90% to HQ, you have to factor in that 10% chance of ending up with a loss when you calculate in in your average profit margins, otherwise, you're better off just selling the mats.

With some melded gear all 2 star items are 100% hq rate. There is no chance to nq if you have all the crafts leveled. I have never nqed a 2 star item because the chance doesn't even exist if you know what you are doing.

[NeoAmon]

yep factor in 10% fail chance, factor in time spent, factor in lala brand name, factor in FC tax, factor in child support, factor in rarity, factor in rival fc...the list keeps going and the greed of a crafter has no end...

No, just no. You want the best gear in the game, work for it, not pay for it. Give crafter something that has nothing to do with end game for all I care, vanity gear, special dye, special whatever. It can be supportive stuff for end game, like temp enchantment.

Leave Coil 2 and any upcoming progression raid out of it.

[Docent]

With some melded gear all 2 star items are 100% hq rate. There is no chance to nq if you have all the crafts leveled. I have never nqed a 2 star item because the chance doesn't even exist if you know what you are doing.

I am lazy and cheap. I don't use any HQ mats, so when I make ilevel 70 2 star HQs, I use a generic Byregot's Blessing bomb with 8 Steady Hand II'd Hasty Touches (with Waste Not I used twice).

I technically need 6 hasty touches to land for a 100% HQ from NQ mats. (50%+30% = 80% chance per Hasty to work) If I manage to land Byregot's on a Good, I don't need 6, but that's somewhat up to good fortune.

Statistically, the odds of getting 6/8 at least when you have 80% per attempt are pretty good, but they're not 100%. Thankfully, if I'm unlucky, I simply Reclaim and hope the 90% refund procs, and then try again. Of the countless crafts I have made for my FC, I have only ever NQ'd or lost mats to Reclaim twice, so I'm fine using that approach.

[Sunarie]

I am lazy and cheap. I don't use any HQ mats, so when I make ilevel 70 2 star HQs, I use a generic Byregot's Blessing bomb with 8 Steady Hand II'd Hasty Touches (with Waste Not I used twice).

I technically need 6 hasty touches to land for a 100% HQ from NQ mats. (50%+30% = 80% chance per Hasty to work) If I manage to land Byregot's on a Good, I don't need 6, but that's somewhat up to good fortune.

Statistically, the odds of getting 6/8 at least when you have 80% per attempt are pretty good, but they're not 100%. Thankfully, if I'm unlucky, I simply Reclaim and hope the 90% refund procs, and then try again. Of the countless crafts I have made for my FC, I have only ever NQ'd or lost mats to Reclaim twice, so I'm fine using that approach.

If you have the materia melds/skills to meet the numbers in this post.. it has the rotation for a 100% HQ rate on 2-star items with all NQ mats.

Edited cause.. I forgot the link.. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1p8t6q/

[silentwindfr]

crafter need endgame, but not link to the raiding

[Volsung]

Hi there, I do think crafters should have more of an impact. Not able to produce the same ilvl as hardest content,
But 10 lvls below, and equal stats (to the other 10 lvl below gear gotten from content) when HQ, (not 20 levels below),
and maybe only able to craft 1-2 pieces per class that is equal to the best set when HQ, maybe from super rare
mats from content.

This still leaves crafters an important role, but lets content running provide the majority of top tier gear.

[Sfarzoso]

Crafters...end game? Gathers endgame ? No... Please no... Wake me up someone?

[NeoAmon]

Hi there, I do think crafters should have more of an impact. Not able to produce the same ilvl as hardest content,
But 10 lvls below, and equal stats when HQ, (not 20 levels below), and maybe only able to craft 1-2 pieces
per class that is equal to the best set when HQ, maybe from super rare mats from content.

This still leaves crafters an important role, but lets content running provide the majority of top tier gear.

Absolutely not. 20 ilvls below is where it should be, it should never be any where near the highest gear in the game or be the only way to achieve that gear.

So it can't be on equal terms and it can't be the best way to leads into the best gear. Everything else is fair game IMHO.

[Volsung]

Absolutely not. 20 ilvls below is where it should be, it should never be any where near the highest gear in the game or be the only way to achieve that gear.

So it can't be on equal terms and it can't be the best way to leads into the best gear. Everything else is fair game IMHO.

Who said it has to be the only way to achieve that gear? you can still have dungeons that drop -10 level gear also.
Its nothing but an alternative to sub best gear.

Which means: feel free to have all the RNG you want while running content; I'm not forcing you to buy anything.
I'm not taking that away. only adding on top of that.