Crafting Needs a Place in Endgame Raiding

[silentwindfr]

crafter need endgame, but not link to the raiding

[Volsung]

Hi there, I do think crafters should have more of an impact. Not able to produce the same ilvl as hardest content,
But 10 lvls below, and equal stats (to the other 10 lvl below gear gotten from content) when HQ, (not 20 levels below),
and maybe only able to craft 1-2 pieces per class that is equal to the best set when HQ, maybe from super rare
mats from content.

This still leaves crafters an important role, but lets content running provide the majority of top tier gear.

[NeoAmon]

Hi there, I do think crafters should have more of an impact. Not able to produce the same ilvl as hardest content,
But 10 lvls below, and equal stats when HQ, (not 20 levels below), and maybe only able to craft 1-2 pieces
per class that is equal to the best set when HQ, maybe from super rare mats from content.

This still leaves crafters an important role, but lets content running provide the majority of top tier gear.

Absolutely not. 20 ilvls below is where it should be, it should never be any where near the highest gear in the game or be the only way to achieve that gear.

So it can't be on equal terms and it can't be the best way to leads into the best gear. Everything else is fair game IMHO.

[Volsung]

Absolutely not. 20 ilvls below is where it should be, it should never be any where near the highest gear in the game or be the only way to achieve that gear.

So it can't be on equal terms and it can't be the best way to leads into the best gear. Everything else is fair game IMHO.

Who said it has to be the only way to achieve that gear? you can still have dungeons that drop -10 level gear also.
Its nothing but an alternative to sub best gear.

Which means: feel free to have all the RNG you want while running content; I'm not forcing you to buy anything.
I'm not taking that away. only adding on top of that.

[NeoAmon]

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As soon as you introduce a crafted set equal to the new tomes, the new tomes set becomes worthless. Why? Because Gill can get you the second best set in the game faster and easier. It is also customizable! Further increasing its value. So lala onichan running around in full second best set in the game melded to the teeth while he have never came across Twintania.

This is one side of the coin, the other side is RMT. Nub A buys 3-4m Gill so he can get that one piece created for him by lala onichan. #inb4 SE ban every single crafter for making millions upon millions form RMT bought Gill. Then you guys come running to the forums crying about how you were the first lala selling HQ ilvl100 and made millions. #Dedication #Hardwork #Wrongfully_banned #Gill_taken_away.

Be reasonable, instead of demanding end game gear, demand to be involved to a limited extent in making the best gear better. Why not ask for the ability to customize the new Allagan gear? Win win for everyone but NO! onichan will no longer make 40+ millions in profit, so it is a bad idea -_-.

[TheUltimate3]

I always felt that items you get from tomes should be inferior. I understand why its not that way in this game (design) choice, I just think that design choice is a stupid one, but a stupid one borne from a good reason.

If the game has two tomes (like it does) i feel the highest level crated gear should equal the lowest tome? Why? Because bloody hell it's the lowest damn tome. And it requires more effort (and this bit is important) from all parties involved than tome gear. Using 2.2 as an example, myth drops from every low end dungeon, these dungeons that have been designed to require as little communication as possible due to potential language barriers, so I can argue that spamming dungeons is brain dead easy. Crafting on the other hand requires mats to be farmed, bought with those tomes, put together, and RNG god'd to HQ, all of which will require at least the active participation of at least 1 or 2 people that have to work together, indirectly or otherwise. (And one could argue that crafters don't communicate, I would argue that their communication is pricing, supply and demand, ect.).

However, I'm aware how this game works and why it does so. Being an Eastern MMO, RMT is the devil and every and all decisions have to be made with it in mind. If crafted gear actually had a place, no doubt RMT would be all over it.

Damn shame really. As a player who's ambition is to find an mmo that will actually let me run a store (like legit run a store. As in I log in, stand behind a desk, and provide a service to customers), I am well aware that I could never do such a thing here, but I understand why people want to feel like they actually matter.

Also I want to point out, when someone says that you are a "stepping stone", that is simply them being nice. Everybody with even half a brain knows that "stepping stone" is a nice way of saying "We'll give ya something to do but don't expect much use out of it." To be perfectly honest, they shouldn't even have crafting classes if they were by design supposed to be "stepping stones" because eventually stepping stones becomes useless.

[Sfarzoso]

Crafters...end game? Gathers endgame ? No... Please no... Wake me up someone?

[AAAFate]

Not sure if this has been said, but if they added high level crafting mats that could only be obtained in the higher level content like t6 through whatever...what is wrong about that? Running high level content for mats to make the higher level gear?

[Rivest]

Not sure if this has been said, but if they added high level crafting mats that could only be obtained in the higher level content like t6 through whatever...what is wrong about that? Running high level content for mats to make the higher level gear?

Yeah, make the materials drop from Binding Coil and the crafted gear untradable.
The RMT + lots of gils = leet gears would be non-existent.

[Galactimus]

Not sure if this has been said, but if they added high level crafting mats that could only be obtained in the higher level content like t6 through whatever...what is wrong about that? Running high level content for mats to make the higher level gear?

That's not the problem. It's when this "higher level gear" gets put up for sale on the Market Board. You now have RMT (gil buyers) wearing some of the best gear in the game with zero effort? If this crafted gear couldn't sold on the MB or traded then there wouldn't be a problem. The crafter would have to put in time and effort to craft these pieces and only he could wear the finished product. Just like someone running dungeons and getting the drop. If "Gil can buy you the best gear" I'd probably quit shortly after.