SE just copy FFXI in FFXIV

[Reika]

People saying FFXI-2 is a good idea are confusing FFXI fans with FF series fans. I am a big fan of the FF series but not FFXI. I wouldn't even have given this game a second look if it was called FFXI-2, or if it was greatly similar to FFXI. FFXIV pulled me away from playing other MMOs because it was not FFXI. More of the same isn't going to pull in new players but only maybe move some of the old ones who still would still rather play FFXI into FFXIV.

A FF fan is not necessarily a fan of FFXI. Likewise, a FFXI fan is not necessarily a FF fan.


Now, I completely agree with people saying that some aspects of FFXI would benefit FFXIV, but the same can be said of every MMO. Certain aspects from just about any other game could be noted improvements.

I second this sir. I started playing and still play this game because it IS NOT like FFXI. But, now they are removing or beginning to remove most of what was unique about this game. I cant wait to see what they will revert next.

So you weren't a fan of FFII and III? Considering FFXI is a glorified online clone of said games. FFXI took the classics of the series, which is why "FFXI fans" are pretty much bewildered by XIV's decision to step away from FF.

Neither of those had the same races this XI or XIV have. if anything, XIV is a glorified clone of XI. Same races, different world. They could have at least had male mithra and female galka already ready for play.....

[Elexia]

Neither of those had the same races this XI or XIV have. if anything, XIV is a glorified clone of XI. Same races, different world. They could have at least had male mithra and female galka already ready for play.....

What she was referring to was how Tanaka explicitly stated that he designed FFXI to be what they couldn't do with FFIII due to technology limitations. He was inspired by EQ and felt that FFIII would be the perfect candidate for an online FF title. FFII comes into play by the weapon system used in the game.

There's so much hate and loathing for FFXI (especially from those who never played it or played it for a small period of time) yet it not only paid for this mess of a project, it's literally what kept Square's games rolling in for more than 5 years. XI isn't a demon, it's actually how XIV should have been made on the basic of levels.

[Carzilla]

wow now people want an ffxi clone. you guys dont know what u want. I have wanted them to build off of FFXI from the begining though lol. SE JUST "BUILD OFF OF" FFXI cuz thats what you should of done from the start. buffs, classes & spells just transfer em over and tweak them to your new combat system. xiv should not be a clone it should be an advancement from xi Which is why yu build off of your previous title..

[Reika]

wow now people want an ffxi clone. you guys dont know what u want. I have wanted them to build off of FFXI from the begining though lol. SE JUST "BUILD OFF OF" FFXI cuz thats what you should of done from the start. buffs, classes & spells just transfer em over and tweak them to your new combat system. xiv should not be a clone it should be an advancement from xi Which is why yu build off of your previous title..

dude, people have wanted a XI clone since day 1....

[Elexia]

Only those who hate FFXI (for whatever reason) assume people want a FFXI clone when infact most everyone who wants a "FFXI-2" have specifically stated they're talking about building on the basics it laid down, you know like how FFVI built on FFV, IV, III, II and I?

[Rydin]

What she was referring to was how Tanaka explicitly stated that he designed FFXI to be what they couldn't do with FFIII due to technology limitations. He was inspired by EQ and felt that FFIII would be the perfect candidate for an online FF title. FFII comes into play by the weapon system used in the game.

There's so much hate and loathing for FFXI (especially from those who never played it or played it for a small period of time) yet it not only paid for this mess of a project, it's literally what kept Square's games rolling in for more than 5 years. XI isn't a demon, it's actually how XIV should have been made on the basic of levels.

I agree... FFXI was awesome... but the numbers (While profitable) weren't enough for SE... Maybe that was their biggest mistake... but they saw offline FF titles doing 6 to 10 million each and saw FFXI expansions doing a quarter mill at best....
I know, I know... Offline and online are different
But they also saw Warcraft III (an offline game) do 3.5 mill but then the online game of the franchise (WoW) Did 12 million... with absolutely no Japanese playerbase...

Yes, SE failed to learn anything from FFXI.... But I can see what they were thinking...
SE is the Republican party and FFXI is like their George Bush.... You have to distance yourself from him because his approval rating was so low....
And therein lies the problem... SE used the same races from FFXI.... and in almost every other facet... in all the interviews.. they explicitly said "This game is definitely not FFXI" as if to say "OK, millions of people can buy it now"

What they failed to realize is that FFXI didn't fail on its own merit....
It was ahead of its time... At a time when Online games were still for the basement nerds...
It used a hard drive that no one owned and the PS2 Slim didn't even support
But there were parts of FFXI that did turn people away....
FFXI-2 would do even less numbers than the original no matter how good it looked (See WoW: Cataclysm)

Before you flame me... I agree FFXI was revolutionary and many many things should have been, if not carried directly over, they at least should have been used to inspire the systems and mechanics of this game...
The 3 major selling points of 11 were that it was story driven... that it had MANY NM's... and that it had so much to do that you just couldn't get it all done, that was made up of end game areas that were made to be extremely repeatable... challenging and fun

Peoples main gripe (I swear to God if someone mentions an AH, which I'm neither for or against, I just think it wont save or sink this game and is not a priority so shut your mouth) is why certain features are missing in this game... when FFXi had really functional ways of doing them....
Like to attack the same MOB as a party member, there should be an easier way to do this, and it just so happens that FFXI had /assist....

So I understand where people are coming from when they say copy FFXI.. I just think the wording of that puts a lot of people off... because copy means clone....
Yes YOU can say you'd play FFXI-2 but SE is not pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into a 500,000 max player base.... deal with it

[Reika]

Only those who hate FFXI (for whatever reason) assume people want a FFXI clone when infact most everyone who wants a "FFXI-2" have specifically stated they're talking about building on the basics it laid down, you know like how FFVI built on FFV, IV, III, II and I?

Have you seen the extremely humorous yet strangely serious posts about 'make this like this and this like this' and it was all details from FFXI? I'm pretty sure they are all buried under hundreds of different threads by now.

[Rydin]

Only those who hate FFXI (for whatever reason) assume people want a FFXI clone when infact most everyone who wants a "FFXI-2" have specifically stated they're talking about building on the basics it laid down, you know like how FFVI built on FFV, IV, III, II and I?

Actually the main selling point of FF is that each title is drastically different

[Mimmo]

IMO They should've built XIV off of XI. I have no doubt about that. People that play WoW are gonna expect a WoW2 that resembles the first one. FFXI had something original, they had to use that game as the base and build it up from there.

Many people are saying that FFXIV has so much potential, but i just dont see it.

Just my 2 cents

[Rydin]

Many people are saying that FFXIV has so much potential, but i just dont see it.

Thats a matter of opinion... but from a business standpoint it definitely had (or has?!?!?) potential to make a lot of money....
FFXIV "COULD" do 1 mill in Japan alone.... or maybe "Could have" and the opportunity is gone...
The ultimate point is a really good FF MMO could do millions in subs... I like FFXi but an FFXI-2 absolutely could not... Deal with it