Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Rentahamster]

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cuz i sure as hell have never seen them say this

do you have a link to your source?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158

Did they? I'm not saying you're not trustworthy -- you definitely are -- but could you please provide a link to them saying that, if possible? I've seen this suggested several times, but don't remember seeing a moderator commenting on it. If it's out there, I'd love to see it, because I'd love to have an idea of what they're planning on this.

Thanks.

皆さん、こんばんは。

引き続きフィードバックありがとうございます。頂いたコメントの中で気になった「特定のリーヴ以外人が集まらない」「リーヴ更新の際、3枚選ばれるのをすべての中から自由に選びたい」「リーヴリンクでペナルティなく修錬値が増加することもリーヴを放棄する原因の1つ」などのご意見を元に、再度担当者と話をしてきました。

現在の仕様では、8パターンのリーヴのうち、数パターンしか選べないものとなっています。これについて開発チーム内でもその是非について検 討を行いました が、ギルドリーヴごとのバランスを調整出来ていない今、その部分を変更すると、今まで以上に同じリーヴしか選択されなくなるという状況になると予想されま す（その事を要望していた人にとっては改善といえるかもしれませんが…）

そのため、現在の優先度としては、リーヴ間のバランス調整を行うことを先行するものとしています。攻略ルートを含め、様々な面から調整を行っています。

また、調整の中で最も重要なものの1つ、修錬値の調整も行っています。これは前述の失敗を繰り返して同じリーヴをプレイすることへの対策でもありますが、 リーヴをクリアした際に修錬値をもらえるようにして、クリアすることの意味を高めるようにするというものです。この点を踏まえたバランス調整を現在行って います。

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

[Jaide]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

Thanks for the translation. I think balancing the rewards between leves would be a better option but this is still good news and really all I wanted to hear. Thanks!

[AngryNixon]

Thanks for the translation. I think balancing the rewards between leves would be a better option but this is still good news and really all I wanted to hear. Thanks!

Balancing the SP rewards so that all the leves offer relatively the same SP for completion solves only half the problem. Saving the same 7-8 leves is partially because those specific ones offer relatively more SP than all the others. The "leve link" system is the other part of the problem. It pays to keep the same leves in a group so you can link them for more SP that way. If you keep the link system but balance them all, it will still pay (if SP was your main objective) to pick some leves and keep them with the group you're going with to maximize SP through max links on every run.

P.S. if the completion bonus in SP overcomes that problem solved.

[Molly_Millions]

if the completion bonus in SP overcomes that problem solved.

this would only be true if the completion bonus is several thousand SP.

[AngryNixon]

this would only be true if the completion bonus is several thousand SP.

Yup. I put that line in there the same way insurance companies use fine print to catch every crazy possibility, like if you're house gets sacked by invading Mongols it isn't covered by your policy. I know it's unrealistic.

[TheVedis]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158



"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

so its leve balancing they are talking about, but from what i can tell, the translation says they are discussing it still and thats not how its going down yet


we need an official translation on this though honestly before we start really looking at what it says

[Molly_Millions]

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

Hmmm, I wonder when they plan to implement that? I'm not against it, but I hope they do something about how many leves are available to choose from in addition to the SP reward for completion. Otherwise people will still fail leves as the fastest means to rank up. Either that, or the completion bonus must be pretty damn large to compensate.

[Rentahamster]

Hmmm, I wonder when they plan to implement that?

The dev post doesn't give a specific time frame, it just says that it is the current course of action. The post does not also say whether or not there are additional changes in store to fix leve balance.

[Rentahamster]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158

これは前述の失敗を繰り返して同じリーヴをプレイすることへの対策でもありますが、 リーヴをクリアした際に修錬値をもらえるようにして、クリアすることの意味を高めるようにするというものです。


"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

so its leve balancing they are talking about, but from what i can tell, the translation says they are discussing it still and thats not how its going down yet


we need an official translation on this though honestly before we start really looking at what it says

While the current situation where players intentionally fail leves is not against the rules of the current game design, it obviously doesn't foster a healthy game environment. In our future plans for Guildleves, we don't plan on adding a penalty for failing, but instead plan to include a bonus for completion.

Told ya

[Kallera]

Told ya

It's official, the JP are stealing Cairdeas' ideas! They must have translators over there without our knowledge...