Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[Physic]

Your assuming to much. We don't know how drop rates will be, we don't know how you obtain gear, we don't know how much of the instance can be cleared in on go, we don't know what the reentry time is and we don't know if there are any penalties for having lv 50s. Your simply assuming that Dungeons can be repeated without a cool down, drop rates are so high that you can get the gear you want in 1 try and that having 50s wont effect drop rate.

Both in FFXIV and in FFXI drop rates have always been horrible, only reason it feels like NMs in XIV dont have a bad drop rate is because they repop within 5mins. for some of the NMs in XIV, i had to kill it 20+ times to get the drop. If the NMs poped on a 2h timer, that would of been 40+ hours of camping straight. Also there are 7 Battle classes in this game, i doubt full set of gear for all the classes will drop in 1 go, so your example does not work. even if a Lv50 can clear it in 14mins, without penalty, there is no guarantee that the item you want is the one that will drop.

even the consolation prize gear effects the economy, look at mee deggi, and impact knuckles, it was the crappy drop, the fact that people farmed kote all day meant that impact knuckles was cheap as dirt, and that effected the price of everything close to its level, and everything in range that competed.

the fact that it will probably have a cooldown only makes things worse, people hate failure and will try to take thier high friends to make it easier, not only that, but those people will not be in the available pool of people do the quest, so for people who actually want to do it at the reccomended level, they will lose players who would otherwise be available to try to obtain the gear.

Its a bad idea on a lot of levels, of course we dont know everything, we are talking about what has been presented to us, and how things have worked before.
If there are penalties then it is fine, but we are working under the premise there are not since no one has said there are.

[darkstarpoet1]

i'd be fine running through with a difficulty slider or scaled down on my r50 to r30 during the dungeon, but to say that i can not go into the dungeon to help a ls mate at all i am not fine with.

[Laughlyn]

wrong game

what we will get is a difficulty slider, and then people can 5 star it

True, but well need a "Good" refrence of variety, so i sed WoW.
But i guess "Level-synch" would be spanktastic too.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Vedis and Durti, you'd be okay with being allowed to run through the dungeon as R50 as long as you get no drops for it? i.e. all you'd be doing is exploring and killing stuff for no reward.

Absolutely not. One way or the other, preferential treatment benefits no one.

[TheVedis]

Vedis and Durti, you'd be okay with being allowed to run through the dungeon as R50 as long as you get no drops for it? i.e. all you'd be doing is exploring and killing stuff for no reward.

i wouldnt be ok with that
we deserve it as much as the people who are r30(we may not need it, but we deserve it)

[TheVedis]

True, but well need a "Good" refrence of variety, so i sed WoW.
But i guess "Level-synch" would be spanktastic too.

nah, again, difficulty slider
like with leves

people who want it to be more challenging can 2-5 star it

[Physic]

and whats stopping the leader from ousting you for doing so?
or the fact that you are willing to do that to ruin othes enioyment from spreading around, thus making people not want to run it with you anymore?

what you talk about here is people just being straight douches, douchebaggery is not the issue at hand here

ousting people from your party is irrelevant in an instance(leaving party generally doesnt mean leaving the instance), and if the content is difficult and has a recharge people would think twice about essentially guaranteeing a fail by kicking someone.

also if you can only do it once a day, every person who gets help from thier ls, or you, is one less person who can do it normally for that day. You are in fact lowering the pool of available people to do it normally.

[Laughlyn]

nah, again, difficulty slider
like with leves

people who want it to be more challenging can 2-5 star it

Aye aye, w/e you fancy honey. I'd prefer 3 cactuar difficulty system thou.

[Shika]

Its not all about gear! Did the CoP missions drop any worthwile gear/loot? No. But those instanced dungeons were extremely fun because they were challenging. The level cap was a key part in maintaining that challenge.

I will have to disagree with you on this one ^^
In FFXI the final drive for most "dungeons" was the gear, whether they were capped or not- BCNM (Kraken club mainly), Nyzul, Salvage, Dynamis, CoP's final rewards were the rings (e.g. Rajas Ring), Sky, Sea... they all dropped gear. Apart from capped mission "dungeons" or fights (BCNM/KSNM and MMM being the exceptions I can think of- it's been 7 or 8 months) they were only for story progression to get to the areas that dropped the gear that you wanted- still the end goal was gear. There was challenge as well of course, but all I see that we are getting right now are some "dungeon raids" to get drops. The harder more challenging fights and dungeons are hopefully still to come as part of the mission and job strands.

[TheVedis]

ousting people from your party is irrelevant in an instance(leaving party generally doesnt mean leaving the instance), and if the content is difficult and has a recharge people would think twice about essentially guaranteeing a fail by kicking someone.

also if you can only do it once a day, every person who gets help from thier ls, or you, is one less person who can do it normally for that day. You are in fact lowering the pool of available people to do it normally.

but again, this is a different arguement altogether
we arent talking about players being douches and ruining the experience by doing something their party doesnt want them to do
thats something that can happen in anything you do and is completely unrelated to this whole discussion