Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[Eekiki]

Vedis and Durti, you'd be okay with being allowed to run through the dungeon as R50 as long as you get no drops for it? i.e. all you'd be doing is exploring and killing stuff for no reward.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Vedis and Durti, you'd be okay with being allowed to run through the dungeon as R50 as long as you get no drops for it? i.e. all you'd be doing is exploring and killing stuff for no reward.

Absolutely not. One way or the other, preferential treatment benefits no one.

[Eekiki]

Absolutely not. One way or the other, preferential treatment benefits no one.

But the fact that you can steamroll through it means you get the gear easier than someone who goes through with a party of R30s. Without a level cap, R50's (and their lazy friends) get preferential treatment.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

But the fact that you can steamroll through it means you get the gear easier than someone who goes through with a party of R30s. Without a level cap, R50's (and their lazy friends) get preferential treatment.

Not if EVERYONE in the game can do it. Sorry, you're wrong. See my above post too.

[Physic]

Not if EVERYONE in the game can do it. Sorry, you're wrong. See my above post too.

heres the thing i dont get with you and vedis, do you think the game shouldnt be challenging till you are level 50? because thats what you seem to promote.

matsui said
"Reform Concept
Fostering Skillful Play
Creating a battle system that fosters skillful play."

is that a world you want to play in, because yes the fact that people can over level content will effect everyone who does said content. at the very least, it alters the standard/default behavior, in an uncapped system, most people doing the content will be above level, if the gear is best till 36, then everyone up to level 36 will have a real reason to go there, and people who just want the item.
A random party will probably look like
25 30 35 48 in level distribution, in that case the average party will have no difficulty or challenge, the default setting becomes easy mode. very anti battle reform idealogy.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

heres the thing i dont get with you and vedis, do you think the game shouldnt be challenging till you are level 50? because thats what you seem to promote.

matsui said
"Reform Concept
Fostering Skillful Play
Creating a battle system that fosters skillful play."

is that a world you want to play in, because yes the fact that people can over level content will effect everyone who does said content. at the very least, it alters the standard/default behavior, in an uncapped system, most people doing the content will be above level, if the gear is best till 36, then everyone up to level 36 will have a real reason to go there, and people who just want the item.
A random party will probably look like
25 30 35 48 in level distribution, in that case the average party will have no difficulty or challenge, the default setting becomes easy mode. very anti battle reform idealogy.

Never once have I said that. What I want is to be challenged at r50. Period. That is all I have ever said. I'm getting that out of the r50 dungeon, but I am not going to run a capped r30 dungeon for gear I don't need.

[Physic]

Never once have I said that. What I want is to be challenged at r50. Period. That is all I have ever said. I'm getting that out of the r50 dungeon, but I am not going to run a capped r30 dungeon for gear I don't need.

thats fine for level 50s, they are guaranteed to have challenging content, but levels 30s? most of them will not have challenging content, unless they go out of their way to force it. the target is level 25-30.

As for dark poet, your level 21 friend probably wont be able to enter till he is is 25, he will also need more than just you, he will need to find 2 other people who are level 25 or higher, just to enter.
So what you have is a situation where, at the minimum requirement, they will have enough to actually win, although it may be difficult.
the absolute lowest way to get in the place is with 4 level 25s, who were designed to be able to complete this content, although it may be very challenging. Throwing your level 50 in, serves only the purpose of making it easy mode. you arent helping your friend who couldnt find people, you are only making the mission easy.

If they altered your level to 30, you would be helping your friend who couldnt get in, and at the same time maintaining challenge.

to the person who said they can use thier high level abilities even if scaled down, everyone can use high level abilities, thier effects are scaled down, and your total abilities are lower, so while you may give a small advantage, its the type of advantage that is already figured into all game content.

[Eekiki]

Not if EVERYONE in the game can do it. Sorry, you're wrong. See my above post too.

This...

Absolutely not. One way or the other, preferential treatment benefits no one.

and this...

I am already 50. I don't need r30 gear to progress.

and this...

If I just want to see an explore, why do I have to take 60 minutes to do it?

and this have convinced me that you're just trolling. Further conversation with you is pointless.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

This...



and this...



and this...



and this have convinced me that you're just trolling. Further conversation with you is pointless.

You should look up the definition of trolling. I am countering opinions with my own. That's called discussion. Welcome to the forums.

[TheVedis]

Vedis and Durti, you'd be okay with being allowed to run through the dungeon as R50 as long as you get no drops for it? i.e. all you'd be doing is exploring and killing stuff for no reward.

i wouldnt be ok with that
we deserve it as much as the people who are r30(we may not need it, but we deserve it)