Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[Physic]

but no one is forcing anyone to go into those 30 dungeons with 50 players

thats the beauty of it

you can CHOOSE who is in your party still, or did they somehow take that option out of the game?

you can change your job anywhere. I remember back in pso they had challenge mode, it required 4 players to start, cheaters would join games, kill for like 5 minutes normally then whip out super hacks and easymode the level. Whats to stop that now?

but ok thats not that relevant lets assume people arent aholes.

the fact that a large portion of people will try to get people to help them though easy content lowers the available amount of people who need to actually complete it normally. The fact that if things look bad people can switch to their easy job in the 4rth quarter effects their game.

[TheVedis]

im sure we'll be getting "Heroic" difficulty sooner or later...lol
(Wich could be fun imo)

wrong game

what we will get is a difficulty slider, and then people can 5 star it

[Lerris]

yet they can enforce a minimum level requirement?

Yes. One involves checking that you have a class at the minimum level or higher. The other involves temporarily delevelling you when you enter, keeping the delevel in place across all classes, and restoring your level once you exit.

More complicated.

[TheVedis]

you can change your job anywhere. I remember back in pso they had challenge mode, it required 4 players to start, cheaters would join games, kill for like 5 minutes normally then whip out super hacks and easymode the level. Whats to stop that now?

but ok thats not that relevant lets assume people arent aholes.

the fact that a large portion of people will try to get people to help them though easy content lowers the available amount of people who need to actually complete it normally. The fact that if things look bad people can switch to their easy job in the 4rth quarter effects their game.

and whats stopping the leader from ousting you for doing so?
or the fact that you are willing to do that to ruin othes enioyment from spreading around, thus making people not want to run it with you anymore?

what you talk about here is people just being straight douches, douchebaggery is not the issue at hand here

[Delmontyb]

Confirmation of players winning the right to experience the dungeon the way they want to as long as they are the minimum level


lets face it, the lower dungeon isnt endgame, its mid game
mid game content, mid game challenge
endgame characters wont be going there for the challenge

I like this, if I feel up for a challenge then I'll switch to a lower level class, but if I feel like doing a speed run I have that freedom as well. I'd be up for voluntary level cap, but not mandatory. I don't like working towards a goal (rank 50) and have it taken away from me (just to make something challenging).

But all for a level cap/ sync if it's an option set by the party/raid group.

[Richard]

thats an entirely different issue altogether
they chose to level everything past that range already
and they can always make a new character if experiencing it at that range is so important(and its very easy to level it up to that point to do it too)

I shouldn't be forced into leveling another character. Just like you shouldn't be forced into a forced level cap. Why are you going back on your prior argument?

[Rentahamster]

oh how cute, he changed my quote to show that he thinks he knows what hes talking about

facts are still facts

theres on level cap

live with it

I changed your quote so that you can understand out point, because our point is definitely NOT

circular arguement

they dont want 50s getting the gear easily
the 50s dont need the gear
then why does it need to be capped?
because they still dont want the 50s getting the gear easily

Our point is that we don't want rank 30 classes attaining gear (which is godly for rank 30 classes) too easily. Not that other thing which you think is what we want but it actually isn't.

[TheVedis]

I changed your quote so that you can understand out point, because our point is definitely NOT



Our point is that we don't want rank 30 classes attaining gear (which is godly for rank 30 classes) too easily. Not that other thing which you think is what we want but it actually isn't.

it wont be that easy to get
you assume the drop rate will be very high

and why should you care how other people get their gear as long as they do it legaly

[Eekiki]

Vedis and Durti, you'd be okay with being allowed to run through the dungeon as R50 as long as you get no drops for it? i.e. all you'd be doing is exploring and killing stuff for no reward.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I changed your quote so that you can understand out point, because our point is definitely NOT



Our point is that we don't want rank 30 classes attaining gear (which is godly for rank 30 classes) too easily. Not that other thing which you think is what we want but it actually isn't.

Even so, your point is your opinion and not shared by everyone. This thread is full of opinion. Neither is superior and neither is inferior. They are just different.