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[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Funny that you say that when what I'm saying is completely the opposite. Capped areas/dungeon promotes mid-level content that stays challenging for those mid-level people as well as high level who comes to help them.

Your view of leaving uncapped doesn't help the mid-level people, it only hinders them and promotes levels as fast as possible to reach end game challenging content.

Again, you're assuming that dungeoning is a viable option for SPing to begin with. Not to mention that it has no effect on how fast people level now. Capping a r30 dungeon isn't going to stop people from power leveling their friends in Nanawa Mines on the eyeballs, or anywhere else.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

That is complete conjecture. With a wave of PS3 players, not ALL of them are going to end up in established LS's already. A LOT of them are going to band together with fellow PS3 players and form their own LS's. And again, who cares anyway? If they want to run a dungeon like that, more power to them. How does that affect YOUR gaming experience?

It does affect me because it will be hard to find a challenge if people in my group invites high level friends and there will be no replay value once you out-level the content. That is how it affects me. I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours and the fact that you capitalize "YOUR" as meaning that is only about me just applies to you as well. I am not the only one wanting caps and wanting caps is thinking about the game and community as a whole wishing that everyone gets to experience the content the way it was designed and not make everything a faceroll run for new players as well and existing players everytime there is new content release.

[TheVedis]

It does affect me because it will be hard to find a challenge if people in my group invites high level friends and there will be no replay value once you out-level the content. That is how it affects me. I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours and the fact that you capitalize "YOUR" as meaning that is only about me just applies to you as well. I am not the only one wanting caps and wanting caps is thinking about the game and community as a whole wishing that everyone gets to experience the content the way it was designed and not make everything a faceroll run for new players as well and existing players everytime there is new content release.

again

you will have your challenge

its called the R50 dungeon!

the R30 isnt meant to be a challenge to 50s

not every bit of content is meant to be a challenge for the endgamers

how hard is that to really understand?

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

It does affect me because it will be hard to find a challenge if people in my group invites high level friends and there will be no replay value once you out-level the content. That is how it affects me. I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours and the fact that you capitalize "YOUR" as meaning that is only about me just applies to you as well. I am not the only one wanting caps and wanting caps is thinking about the game and community as a whole wishing that everyone gets to experience the content the way it was designed and not make everything a faceroll run for new players as well and existing players everytime there is new content release.

Obviously you're not concerned about the game community 'as a whole' because people like Vedis and I obviously don't want caps. The only difference is you can find 3 people who will agree to run the dungeon as r25-35 to preserve YOUR experience but if a cap is present their is nothing to preserve MY experience.

[Archadius]

ROUND 918273918.... FIGHT!!

[Perrin_Aybarra]

again

you will have your challenge

its called the R50 dungeon!

the R30 isnt meant to be a challenge to 50s

not every bit of content is meant to be a challenge for the endgamers

how hard is that to really understand?

It's not that I don't understand, it's that you don't

I understand loud and clear that the level 30 dungeons are for level 30 and that level 50 will have no incentive in going in. What you don't understand is that NO one, given the chance, will go through that mid-level content they way it was designed because they will have high level coming to help them go through EVEN if they don't have to and have the choice to go with a group of 30s, they won't because it's easier to just go with higher level plus you get all the rewards for yourself.

So the dev making mid-level content is just a waste of dev time since anyways no one (maybe a slight 2% will) will do that content with a group of players that is level 30.

I did not say I want everything to be a challenge for end-gamers. I said I want it to be a challenge for mid-level gamers which they won't get because they simply won't do it the way it was designed. And then you say that they will get their challenge at level 50, you are just shooting your own foot saying that not everything is about end-game.. because it will be just that, why spend time trying to do mid-content with mid-content people when I can have high level help and faceroll through and get as fast as possible to end-game so that we can have a challenge at last...

I know that you think I'm just out for myself here, but I could say the same about you, there is as much people saying they are for than saying they are against. In the end, we will just go with what SE decides they want their game to be and people will play if they like the game or quit if they don't. I won't quit for that, but it will for sure add to the flaws of the game for me.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

It's not that I don't understand, it's that you don't

I understand loud and clear that the level 30 dungeons are for level 30 and that level 50 will have no incentive in going in. What you don't understand is that NO one, given the chance, will go through that mid-level content they way it was designed because they will have high level coming to help them go through EVEN if they don't have to and have the choice to go with a group of 30s, they won't because it's easier to just go with higher level plus you get all the rewards for yourself.

So the dev making mid-level content is just a waste of dev time since anyways no one (maybe a slight 2% will) will do that content with a group of players that is level 30.

I did not say I want everything to be a challenge for end-gamers. I said I want it to be a challenge for mid-level gamers which they won't get because they simply won't do it the way it was designed. And then you say that they will get their challenge at level 50, you are just shooting your own foot saying that not everything is about end-game.. because it will be just that, why spend time trying to do mid-content with mid-content people when I can have high level help and faceroll through and get as fast as possible to end-game so that we can have a challenge at last...

I know that you think I'm just out for myself here, but I could say the same about you, there is as much people saying they are for than saying they are against. In the end, we will just go with what SE decides they want their game to be and people will play if they like the game or quit if they don't. I won't quit for that, but it will for sure add to the flaws of the game for me.

The problem is that you are basing your reason's on your own opinions and speculation. None of your 'points' are cold and hard facts.

You know what the cold and hard facts are?

SOME players want r30 dungeons to be capped.
SOME players want r30 dungeons to be uncapped.
SOME players don't even care.

The only DIFFERENCE here is that the players who want r30 dungeons capped will directly inhibit the players who want it to be uncapped, while if the dungeons were to be uncapped the players who want to experience the r30 dungeon at r30 only need to find 3 MORE PEOPLE to run it that way.

Who is REALLY being unreasonable here?

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Obviously you're not concerned about the game community 'as a whole' because people like Vedis and I obviously don't want caps. The only difference is you can find 3 people who will agree to run the dungeon as r25-35 to preserve YOUR experience but if a cap is present their is nothing to preserve MY experience.

as much people want caps to preserve a challenge as people like you and Vedis who wants uncapped dungeons just for the sake of "deserving" it because you are level 50, which is egocentric really. YOU are not owed anything because you got rank 50... Are you that much against rewarding skillful play that you think being max level is reason enough to make lower content unchallenging?

[Perrin_Aybarra]

The problem is that you are basing your reason's on your own opinions and speculation. None of your 'points' are cold and hard facts.

You know what the cold and hard facts are?

SOME players want r30 dungeons to be capped.
SOME players want r30 dungeons to be uncapped.
SOME players don't even care.

The only DIFFERENCE here is that the players who want r30 dungeons capped will directly inhibit the players who want it to be uncapped, while if the dungeons were to be uncapped the players who want to experience the r30 dungeon at r30 only need to find 3 MORE PEOPLE to run it that way.

Who is REALLY being unreasonable here?

Ok seriously this is getting as riddiculous as yesterday and really I'll just end this by saying I stated my view on it and yes I don't have cold hard facts and it's my view and opinions as I never said otherwise.

You stated yours and you don't have hard cold facts either and is also just your view and opinion on the matter. Which I respect completely.

As I said, in the end we will play the game as it is handed to us and that is that. Doesn't mean we have to be happy about it and that we are not entitled to an opinion, and doesn't mean that you need to go assuming and insulting people (I'm as much at fault here).

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

as much people want caps to preserve a challenge as people like you and Vedis who wants uncapped dungeons just for the sake of "deserving" it because you are level 50, which is egocentric really. YOU are not owed anything because you got rank 50... Are you that much against rewarding skillful play that you think being max level is reason enough to make lower content unchallenging?

I agree that just as many people want it capped than uncapped. The issue is that giving in to the former of those players leaves out the latter, but giving in to the latter does NOT exclude the former. And it is ridiculous to think that the r50s in this game aren't owed anything. I have been playing this game since launch and I have been max level since January. That has left me with 5 months of next to no content to partake in, so once they DO put content out, dictating how I experience it is a mistake.

Did I say I was against rewarding skillful play? Nope, don't think I did. The issue is I could care less for the rewards of a MID RANK DUNGEON. I don't need the SP, I don't need the gear. So where exactly is the reward in a 4 man r25 dungeon for a r50?