The tanking shortage reasons

[AlrikRouge]

(On my phone so no edit....)

Added to the above:

I think theres a shortage because (a) people like to kill stuff, faster the better; its cool (b) people like to heal, pull off epic times of keeping everyone alive and noticeably DPS (c) it takes tons of patience to stand there, dodge, and not be the major factor involved with moving the battle forward to a kill, but waiting on the rest to do it, and be the one to blame if you didnt dodge all 6 AoEs while keeping the mobs in place for melee, or use your CD soon enough so healer could DPS too, thus died causing a wipe, (d) it does get critisized and knocked more than DPS or healer (I have a WHM i76). I think it is mainly A and C above, then D and then B in order of why theres a shortage.

[therpgfanatic]

Paladin isn't that bad either actually. I crit 1.2k on Rage of Halone on Asclepius with 4 stacks, with Fight or Flight and Sword Oath. 1.8k crit on Spirits Within with Fight or Flight, Sword Oath, and Mega Potion of STR HQ. Keep in mind too that Paladins will never reach the same numbers as Warriors, due to their main hand weapon being single handed, whereas Warriors are using a dual-handed main weapon.

1. Sword Oath contributes nothing to Rage of Halone damage. Nothing.

2. Marauder weapons have the SAME physical damage as Gladiator weapons; both Bravura Zenith and Curtana Zenith are 46 physical damage. The difference is that Warriors have much better damage in their abilities than Paladins do.

3. You are suggesting Paladin DPS is fine because if you spend a bunch of money buying Mega Potions of STR (that last a few seconds and have a LONG cooldown before another can be used) in a specific encounter where the boss has a debuff that makes it take 25% more damage. And when it stacks to be 100% more damage, you crit for 1k so everything is handy dandy?

You aren't thinking clearly. In that same situation everyone else is doing x10 or more damage than you are.

I have invested at least 100+ hours into my Paladin, and am at item lv 74. I crit for around 250 in Crystal Tower. I can't even 1 shot low lv monsters in the starting zones.

It's pathetic, my DPS may as well not even exist. In a Paladin's hands the legendary relic Curtana may as well be a nerf bat.

Fact: Gladiator's lv50 ability Circle of Scorn allows us to deal auto-attack damage to a group. I don't even know why it has a DoT effect; it's 30% of auto-attack damage over 15 seconds. It may as well not even be on the ability; oh boy, my DoT did 40-something points of damage to a creature with 100k+ HP.

It is ironic that they are called Gladiators; they are possibly the worst melee class in PVP.

[juniglee]

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Oh look it's this discussion again.

You want DPS, go play a DPS class. I was just throwing out numbers for sake of comparison. My i90 DRG friend is only dealing 2.6k with Mega Potion of STR HQ and crit on True Thrust. How is that 10x more?

I really don't get you. If playing Paladin is like torture, why force yourself to continue playing it? Have you tried Warrior then?

[Blackheart]

i don't get these pld vs war debates, they're both tanking classes so why does dps matter in the slightest? i'm curious.

[Gamemako]

i don't get these pld vs war debates, they're both tanking classes so why does dps matter in the slightest? i'm curious.

Why the heck would DPS not matter? It's DPS just the same. Why would you ignore a quarter of your party's damage output because it came from one player and not another?

[Chione]

...
Play as Tank -- "PULL MORE." "PULL LESS" "WHY U DYING SO MUCH?" "#$*#!" "U GOTTA MARK MOBS!"

Ahem.

Tanking doesn't carry more responsibility. It carries more harassment...

This is pretty much why I've gotten to a point where I just don't do roulette or df anything on my PLD. Even though I'm comfy with the job and it's decently geared at i80ish and zenith, and I'm quite familiar with every dungeon in the game, I've seen this kind of attitude leveled at tanks way too many times. And even though it hasn't happened to me personally on the rare occasion that I do tank a DF, the pressure to be perfect for people I don't know just takes all the fun outta the job for me.

So now I only tank for my friends and fc/ls mates when they need it and I do my roulettes on dps or heals. ^^; I dunno if there are others like me, but that's the reason why my tank is shelved as far as DF and DR are concerned.

[Blackheart]

Why the heck would DPS not matter? It's DPS just the same. Why would you ignore a quarter of your party's damage output because it came from one player and not another?

the point i'm trying to get across is this: if dps from the tank becomes more important then actually tanking, something is horribly wrong.

[JDRAustin]

i'm not use to tanking in MMO's
But i really wanted to give it a try in FFXIV. I started playing around beta phase 2 on PS3 and
had tanking down for a little bit.

Then i played it for 50 days on release (then i stopped due to college for 4 months) After i returned this week. I tried doing
bray. I told the party im sorry if i mess up tanking due to me forgetting my order and such. They said it was fine.

First mini-boss we all died. I apologized and all i got back was flaming and insults.

Being a tank is hard, im starting to get use to it but, the points you put out are mostly correct.
Since im on a PS3 tanking its even harder to be aware of my surrondings and gain emity from every mob. I try my hardest
and i don't even get acknowledged for it. Tanks are the leader role but they don't even get respect when saving lives.
Either way i love tanking, it's fun being the shield for everyone. It feels like your the border between the death and them.

[therpgfanatic]

Oh look it's this discussion again.

You want DPS, go play a DPS class.

Then I suppose you think Paladins should do 0 damage for all abilities?

No? Then stop making this argument.

I was just throwing out numbers for sake of comparison.

So you admit to making stuff up?

My i90 DRG friend is only dealing 2.6k with Mega Potion of STR HQ and crit on True Thrust. How is that 10x more?

Because he doesn't have to use 3 other abilities that trigger (Fight or Flight, Fast Blade and Savage Blade) before he can use True Thrust, whereas you need to in order to get Halone to crit at its best?

He also doesn't have to spend time popping mitigation cooldowns either, which takes away from using DPS abilities.

So when all his abilities do 1k+ damage, and you do 200-300 at the end of a 3 hit combo, yeah he's doing x10 your dps. Or more. And that's not even considering the wait period when we trigger GCD with our crappy combo builders.

Also, fresh lv50 Dragoons do 1k crits.

Because the disparity between tank and DPS damage is so large, increasing tank DPS slightly isn't going to ruin the game at all. It'll only serve to make tanking more enjoyable and appealing.

i don't get these pld vs war debates, they're both tanking classes so why does dps matter in the slightest? i'm curious.

The thread is about reasons people don't like to play tanks.

Tanks do less damage than DPS classes; at least, Gladiator / Paladin do extremely poorly.

The overwhelming majority of gamers do not want to play a melee class that intentionally has a hard time killing enemies. It doesn't fit their concept for what a warrior / knight / gladiator ought to be. It makes leveling harder. It can make things like off-tanking frustrating, as your DPS plays little to no role in the encounter and everyone knows it.

The fact of the matter is although tanks job is to hold the mobs, we do so by attacking them. But when the damage is pathetic, the player feels frustrated. And it adds to the other frustrations from dealing with players who treat the tank players poorly.

[SpookyGhost]

http://i.imgur.com/cEIx1I4.jpg

Stop complaining.