This thread is about butts.

[Edellis]

more chatter about game development, semantics

Look, whatever, nobody cares, all of this is moot point. It's just not going to happen. And if it does, we're talking seasons from now, if even that.

If it happens sooner, HURRAY power to the people, our characters asses go from "High-fashion model" to "petite", which still isnt enough to make me care either way.

Anyone including you who pretend to know anything about game developm--

Uhh. The only reason i'm even still bothering with this topic is because of the amount of people who blindly throw around words like "SIMPLE FIX", trying to imply laziness to every issue Square doesn't hold in equal priority to their own. I'm just trying to stop the spreading of ignorance, which is a personal pet-peeve of mine.

At the end of the day, i mean....I really don't care. Like I said, i'd much rather you guys petition square to reimplement the use of dynamic animation to the models, since that would provide a much more significant increase in quality to pretty much everyone if they were able to pull it off.


But I personally just don't get the whole "butts" complaint, sorry. But by all means, do not let me poop on your parade.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Look, whatever, nobody cares, all of this is moot point. It's just not going to happen.

This thread and the last 2 like it show that people quite literally do care and it is not a moot point as others have pointed out, if the customer base wants it enough, they will give it to us. Period.

But by all means, do not let me poop on your parade.

Despite your efforts, you have not.

[Aegis]

This thread and the last 2 like it show that people quite literally do care and it is not a moot point as others have pointed out, if the customer base wants it enough, they will give it to us. Period.

There was a thread asking for NMs to be returned to the game, it got over three thousand likes. They said no. This thread has 77 likes.

Of the two changes, NMs are easier.

Forgive me for being cynical about this topic's chances.

[AmyNeudaiz]

NMs are easier.

This I disagree with. Changing a character model is much, much less work than creating a whole new system for content. Also, you are comparing apples to oranges. Content should not be brought up when talking about aesthetics.

That may not be how humans generally work, but last I checked we don't often come with tails and the ears tend to be a bit different as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the point you are trying to get across is that because Miqote have cat ears and tail they are fine having unnatural proportions and a posture that amplifies the terrible model?

Also, this problem is with all other races as well. People just notice it and gripe more about female Miqote because of the unnatural posture making it look more severe.

[Aegis]

This I disagree with. Changing a character model is much, much less work than creating a whole new system for content. Also, you are comparing apples to oranges. Content should not be brought up when talking about aesthetics.

Really? What new system? All they need to do is to make the mob claimable, which is something they have in game currently (leve targets are not claimable by anyone but the people in the levequest, FATE mobs are not claimable if you are too high level).

And shouldn't content be something that is introduced before aesthetics? Especially when the demand for the content is so much greater than that for the aesthetics?

[Lurkios]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the point you are trying to get across is that because Miqote have cat ears and tail they are fine having unnatural proportions and a posture that amplifies the terrible model?

You are wrong. You are attempting to present your personal opinion concerning what Miqo'te proportions should be, which you admittedly share with many others, as a standard to govern SE's aesthetic choices - which it is not.

[Elazu]

You are wrong. You are attempting to present your personal opinion concerning what Miqo'te proportions should be, which you admittedly share with many others, as a standard to govern SE's aesthetic choices - which it is not.

So what are you saying? We shouldn't call them out on this unappealing decision because the developer is always right and never does anything wrong? We shouldn't demand better character models even though we had them in 1.0 already? Even though most equipment is STILL fitted for 1.0 bodies?

[Lurkios]

So what are you saying? We shouldn't call them out on this unappealing decision because the developer is always right and never does anything wrong? We shouldn't demand better character models even though we had them in 1.0 already? Even though most equipment is STILL fitted for 1.0 bodies?

Following "So what are you saying?" with questions regarding fantastical opinions almost entirely irrelevant to the quoted post does not actually make those the opinions of the poster.

[Tupsi]

You are wrong. You are attempting to present your personal opinion concerning what Miqo'te proportions should be, which you admittedly share with many others, as a standard to govern SE's aesthetic choices - which it is not.

Wouldn't expect you to get what people are talking about as you didn't play FFXI or FFXIV 1.x.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Really? What new system? All they need to do is to make the mob claimable, which is something they have in game currently (leve targets are not claimable by anyone but the people in the levequest, FATE mobs are not claimable if you are too high level).

And shouldn't content be something that is introduced before aesthetics? Especially when the demand for the content is so much greater than that for the aesthetics?

If I understand you correctly, you were making a statement that changing mesh proportions is more of a task than adding and balancing new mobs and what those mobs drop and debugging it all to boot. I vehemently disagree with this entirely. Also, to your statement of adding content instead, one could say that about literally everything else added that is not considered content but if it increases the appeal of the game and makes it more enjoyable it is just as important as adding new content. Look at party finder for instance, not content but still improves the game.

You are wrong. You are attempting to present your personal opinion concerning what Miqo'te proportions should be, which you admittedly share with many others, as a standard to govern SE's aesthetic choices - which it is not.

So let me get it straight, are you saying Square Enix should just leave it how it is because they said so even though most people don't like it? You couldn't of been less clear in your first post. Although, now you kind of sound like one of those people who thought 2.0 WAR was fine as it was before they changed it at the request of the player base.