Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[Maku]

I saw a video someone posted of a "Marauder DPS class" the other day. They stayed at range and just threw buffed Tomahawks the entire time. There were people that laughed, then other's that got pissed off at them. They did not get booted for literally messing around and doing less damage though, they stayed in every raid they participated in the OP said in a later post I believe. Yet I could go in and do my Role very well, not cause undue problems and still participate, and I got booted for nothing.

That MRD was surprised he didn't get booted though. If you read the whole thread he states that many times. He probably didn't get booted though because he kept talking about being a "Ranged DPS" and such and people knew full well that he was "trolling"/ having a go and just fn off. Your group that kicked your probably thought one of two things. Either, A) This guy made a mistake when he qued get rid of him. or B) This guy is serious that he thinks ACN is useful in Endgame, kick him.

I am going to go with the A option cause I like to think the best of people but B is more than likely what happened.

[Huntington]

That MRD was surprised he didn't get booted though. If you read the whole thread he states that many times. He probably didn't get booted though because he kept talking about being a "Ranged DPS" and such and people knew full well that he was "trolling"/ having a go and just fn off. Your group that kicked your probably thought one of two things. Either, A) This guy made a mistake when he qued get rid of him. or B) This guy is serious that he thinks ACN is useful in Endgame, kick him.

I am going to go with the A option cause I like to think the best of people but B is more than likely what happened.

Someone should quote me on where I've said that I think I can use ACN in the Extreme fights and Twintania then. Crystal Tower is easy as heck and should not be seen as part of endgame difficulty when other Duty missions represent it better. When was asking people to leave so hard that we immediately jump to kicking for unjust reasons?

[Menriq]

Someone should quote me on where I've said that I think I can use ACN in the Extreme fights and Twintania then. Crystal Tower is easy as heck and should not be seen as part of endgame difficulty when other Duty missions represent it better. When was asking people to leave so hard that we immediately jump to kicking for unjust reasons?

I can only form an opinion based on what I've read here. Looking at this objectively, I think a reasonable assumption would that be that if the group asked you to leave based on you being an Arcanist over a Summoner, you would not have simply said "Ok" and left. My opinion, again only gathered by what I have read here, is that you would have engaged them on why you felt Arcanist was fine. One could also come to the conclusion that one end result would have been them removing you from the group via kick. Perhaps they jumped the gun, but I can see tolerance of a Tank / Healer "trolling" being higher since it's much easier to replace a "troll" DPS. Note, this is not to insinuate that you were trolling. However, I can see a point of view where the group could have felt you were trolling.

[Huntington]

I can only form an opinion based on what I've read here. Looking at this objectively, I think a reasonable assumption would that be that if the group asked you to leave based on you being an Arcanist over a Summoner, you would not have simply said "Ok" and left. My opinion, again only gathered by what I have read here, is that you would have engaged them on why you felt Arcanist was fine. One could also come to the conclusion that one end result would have been them removing you from the group via kick. Perhaps they jumped the gun, but I can see tolerance of a Tank / Healer "trolling" being higher since it's much easier to replace a "troll" DPS. Note, this is not to insinuate that you were trolling. However, I can see a point of view where the group could have felt you were trolling.

Depending on what Duty I'm in, I would do the first. Excluding the Hard Mode dungeons like Haukke Manor, Copperbell Mines HM, Pharos Sirius, Extreme Fights, Coil T1 through 5, and whatever else I might be forgetting. Otherwise, I would put forth a reasonable response on why it can work with what we have, or what I have. I've tried to form it as best I can stat wise so that it's only outmatched by SMN by a tad, there will be places where I can recognize that nothing short of my best will be enough, for those I ask to be kicked so I don't incur a penalty and they can get someone else.

As for the Healer and Tank tolerance, it makes sense. In a lot of Instances, if the Tank or a Healer quits, you almost never find a replacement based on hundreds of runs on Shiva, once that happens it's just better to abandon.

[xEscaflownex]

I've tried to form it as best I can stat wise so that it's only outmatched by SMN by a tad

18% + is not a tad, especially over the course of any boss fight, it's tens of thousands of damage.

[Ryuko]

I just got booted for no literal reason.

You were booted because you willingly gimped your dps by playing as Arcanist instead of Summoner. End of story. Perhaps you were given the boot ahead of the other people you mentioned because they can see your class instantly in the party list and thus you were easier to discern than a useless person just throwing things from far away. If I had to guess, people assumed you hadn't even unlocked summoner (otherwise why WOULD you be playing arcanist!?) and booted you because they assumed you knew next to nothing about the game, and would likely weigh the party down.

I'll say it in a nicer way than others, but I agree it is time for you to stop posting. You have your answers, and while I empathize that you want to think outside of the box (creatively), it just isn't viable... and I said this more than once. Now you are just fueling the fire and I think people are getting frustrated with the fact that you just aren't listening to reason or evidence.

[Sigred]

I think people are getting frustrated with the fact that you just aren't listening to reason or evidence.

When someone does not listen to reason, there is no evidence you can show that will convince them that they should.

[Huntington]

You were booted because you willingly gimped your dps by playing as Arcanist instead of Summoner. End of story. Perhaps you were given the boot ahead of the other people you mentioned because they can see your class instantly in the party list and thus you were easier to discern than a useless person just throwing things from far away. If I had to guess, people assumed you hadn't even unlocked summoner (otherwise why WOULD you be playing arcanist!?) and booted you because they assumed you knew next to nothing about the game, and would likely weigh the party down.
I'll say it in a nicer way than others, but I agree it is time for you to stop posting. You have your answers, and while I empathize that you want to think outside of the box (creatively), it just isn't viable... and I said this more than once. Now you are just fueling the fire and I think people are getting frustrated with the fact that you just aren't listening to reason or evidence.

I again ask why it was not possible or even a noticed thing that it can be done in some dungeons and the like without problems. There are clear places where there will be no issue using the class, and places where there can be problems because of DPS checks. I like how people keep cherry-picking these posts then assuming information while ignoring what I've said. Sure, you can lecture me as much as you want because clearly saying otherwise won't stop anyone. But if you're going to continually jump over paragraphs and insert assumptions into everything, then please take your own advice and stop telling me to do something you ask when you will continually bring up something irrelevant and uninteresting to me by this point and not follow the same path.

I no longer care what anyone has to say about the DPS percentages, I have not said "well why can't I be unique and play how I want where it works", or anything like that for awhile now. You people keep jumping in here and prodding at that over-repeated line of "why don't you recognize and realize that it does less DPS?" Have I concretely said "no you're wrong, stop saying that" and put my fingers in my ear? Not once. I've not once yet told someone to be quiet and stop destroying my "fabricated reality", though lots of you would like to assume I am. I'm playing this because it entertains me, and I've already made well and clear that I realize which places that it cannot be done and shouldn't be done. No one seems to be seeing that, so you again assume I'm just shouting at my keyboard saying "no you're wrong!" over and over instead of actually reading my posts. I even updated the OP and told you, that if you were just going to rehash something and didn't have anything new to add, that you should just not post at all. Did anyone listen to that? Not really.

Don't give me orders to stop posting anywhere on here like I need to follow anyone's authority, none of you are the master over anyone no matter how puffed up your ego is because of what you know about the game. I've made clear that I'll respectfully deign out of certain matches, then still use the class where I want when I want to actually enjoy my subscription. That's all I'm going to repeat for the umpteenth time.

Few more things:
1. Everyone cares about gear so much but never bothers to actually look at anyone and determine if they're suitable for the match.
Everyone rants on and on about their Allagan armor but they'd rather just deny other people entry to things unless their gear is just as amazing as their's is. So if they can coherently look at my gear and say "oh yeah, leveled three classes nearly to 50, level 76 item level it seems, probably played for a good long while, doesn't know what to do. Let's boot him." Then there is a lot more ignorance that I'd initially thought.
2. Min/maxing isn't that important.
With Turn 5 getting a nerf in the soon to be future, apparently all everyone is doing end-game is fighting something on Pandemonium Warden's level over and over again, it's the only thing that could make sense of such a craze over everyone having item level 90 all the time and being literally over-geared. Which is the most infallibly incorrect thing possible, so why we care or analyze or freak out over everyone having something done just like someone else does not make any sense to me. This game is not difficult, it's easy, it takes far less effort to precede through it than anyone seems to care to mention, but seemingly we might as well pretend it's as hard as programming a rocket from scratch to re-enter our planet's atmosphere using nothing but an outdated 1990's Windows PC and some weather software coupled with a Barometer.

If you'd like to stop willingly repeating yourself, stop replying to the topic, hide or ignore me, and go away. Solves everyone's problems. It isn't that difficult a concept, or does everyone enjoy flexing their brains yelling the same thing at me over and over again thinking they're giving fire to man for the first time?

[xEscaflownex]

Hmm, if it's so easy, why haven't you cleared EX's and Turn 5?

The basic concept here is that there is no acceptable place for what you are trying to do, outside of solo play, or maybe treasure hunting. You do less dmg as ACN than you do as SMN, this is the case whether you are doing Turn 5 or AK, or CT. Any and all content you are entering, you are doing so with a handicap.

However you see it, you are negatively impacting other player's experiences whether it is easy content or hard. You doing less dmg = things dying slower = dungeon/boss/etc taking longer = other players (who are doing the right thing) time wasted. Saying "I can do it here because it doesn't matter because its not an ultimate DPS check blah blah" is inaccurate.

You ARE entirely free to play as you like and do whatever it is that you enjoy, you are also free to do this on your own, running around the game alone, just as other players are free to play the game how they want (most like to kill things efficiently and not spend all day on any given fight or instance), and are free to not group with you in order to avoid the negative impact YOU have on THEIR game experience.

[OPneedNerfs]

You can play how you want. The groups you get matched with also can play how they want. If what they want is not to have a gimped damage dealer, they can kick you becuz democracy.