My friend the "content locust" :(

[Sirantha]

Do you not see the problem then?

Sorry for the late reply. I do see a problem, but I also see a problem with people's expectations. Ultimately, the most vocal and negative/frustrated people will be the people who post on the forum; I'd venture that the majority of players are pretty satisfied with how things are. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think that's a reason not to add additional content, and preferably at a relatively fast pace, but the devs probably don't want to leave the less hardcore people behind, as well as potentially not being able to keep up with the people who have more time to spend on the game.

So while I see what people are complaining about, I feel like it's not as doom and gloom as some people are making it out.

[Doo]

It's been played

And you're welcome for that btw. I've also tried to defend this perspective as well. Without constant interjection on my behalf, it would have happened and you know it.

Ultimately, the most vocal and negative/frustrated people will be the people who post on the forum; I'd venture that the majority of players are pretty satisfied with how things are.

[Clavaat]

The first expansion, by plan/design, will make EVERYTHING prior to it irrelevant.

I really don't know why people think this way. Maybe because I didn't play WoW? I don't know. What I do know is, there was "irrelevant content" all over the place in FFXI as the years went on. If you're referring to NM items, they would become "irrelevant" after like, 10 levels anyway typically. If you're referring to Sky/Sea etc, they were both expansionary zones. Content is only as relevant as you want to make it.

Also, what in 2.1 made things "irrelevant"? If you are just starting the game at this point, do you not still have to get your relic and collect philo along the way? Sure, it's easier to do now, but that just makes it less tedious, not irrelevant. I still have to do AK/WP w/e for Duty Roulette, I still fight HM's for relic, and I still FATE grind between DR's on my alts, though now I have a better option with Battlecraft leves as well. In other words, I believe we're getting the terms "irrelevant" and "less tedious" mixed up, which is easy to do when FFXI was your last reference.

[DudeImAlive]

I can relate to both points of view, Ive leveled up my Arcanist and got my level 90 gear. Besides crafting classes I dont care to level up another class until they release more classes like Thief or Red Mage ect. I dont mind pvp since you can jump into a match and be done with it fairly quickly. However I could easily put the game on the shelf till next expansion or patch because most of my goals for now are met. However Im anticipating everything that will be coming that we have been told to expect. Im prepping my crafting classes cause I want to be ready to build my airship once we get our underground workshops. Im gathering and crafting to make money cause im expecting to spend some money when breeding and racing my chocobos and buying my own house. I also plan on dropping some gil on the casino they are going to implement later too. However these are long term goals and getting to them may take some grinding which most people dont look forward to. But just like when the FC housing was announced I had some foresight to start making and saving money because no one knew how much it was going to cost and prior to the its implementation not many people were trying to save and the markets were quite a different place. Safe to say i didnt regret my decision to prepare then, and im willing to bet I wont be regretting it later either.

[chococo]

I really don't know why people think this way. Maybe because I didn't play WoW? I don't know. What I do know is, there was "irrelevant content" all over the place in FFXI as the years went on. If you're referring to NM items, they would become "irrelevant" after like, 10 levels anyway typically. If you're referring to Sky/Sea etc, they were both expansionary zones. Content is only as relevant as you want to make it.

Also, what in 2.1 made things "irrelevant"? If you are just starting the game at this point, do you not still have to get your relic and collect philo along the way? Sure, it's easier to do now, but that just makes it less tedious, not irrelevant. I still have to do AK/WP w/e for Duty Roulette, I still fight HM's for relic, and I still FATE grind between DR's on my alts, though now I have a better option with Battlecraft leves as well. In other words, I believe we're getting the terms "irrelevant" and "less tedious" mixed up, which is easy to do when FFXI was your last reference.

Well in XIV you achieve everything so fast, things would also lose their relevance just as fast. Surely when you start out there's lots of things to do, no doubt. But when you can level up your jobs in a very short period of time and be able to progress, there's no longer relevance in obsolete content. Further down the road in patch say 2.4, you've probably leveled all classes by then, gotten your relic or whatever, and there's Turn 20. Would you still be doing WP, AK, or even the labyrinth of the ancients?

XI content had replay value because achievements were not obtained that quickly. Even if you do not need a specific drop, you could always do content to farm and sell, thereby gaining something during the process. In XIV if you're done with, say primals, you're done, period. There is no reason for you to go back there. This is apparent when PF (on masamune) is only filled with training parties. There's even fewer clear parties on the day of reset cos people don't even need those primal weapons anymore.

[Sirantha]

It's been played

I'm sorry if you disagree (and I apologise, I missed your conversation with the OP, I was responding to a post that responded to me yesterday) but ultimately I think we have to agree to disagree. If you genuinely feel the vocal minority isn't accurate, that's totally fine, but I feel that in this case, it is. Or, at the very least, if it's not the vocal minority, the people who feel most negative will generally be the people who post. Even if they make up the same number of players as those who are happy, or more, the positive people tend to post less.

Editing to add that I don't think a group of people being the "vocal minority" makes them any less worthy of being heard, my point is simply that people saying, "Just because you enjoy content doesn't mean everyone else does" works exactly the same way in reverse, possibly to an even greater extent. Though I don't have the in-depth context on that, so I can only say based on previous forum experience.

[Grizzlebeard]

I'm sorry if you disagree (and I apologise, I missed your conversation with the OP, I was responding to a post that responded to me yesterday) but ultimately I think we have to agree to disagree. If you genuinely feel the vocal minority isn't accurate, that's totally fine, but I feel that in this case, it is. Or, at the very least, if it's not the vocal minority, the people who feel most negative will generally be the people who post. Even if they make up the same number of players as those who are happy, or more, the positive people tend to post less.

In my experience, only people who care enough about the game post on the forums. Of the people who post on here expressing their dissatisfaction and hopes for improvements there will be many more who aren't aware of the forums, don't want to subject themselves to the vitriol and bickering of gaming forums in general, or simply don't care enough to post on them. They'll just unsubscribe and proceed to tell their friends, "That game was garbage!". I know of at least four rl friends who've done this. Path of least resistance and all that.

[Clavaat]

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Thank you for your answer! To answer your question, I don't know if I would be doing WP/AK/CT by patch 2.4, as I don't know if they plan on making changes to it. However, if they keep the DR basically functioning as is, then yes I would be. I have almost all of my classes leveled already, but I definitely do not have them all geared for all high level content. From what I can tell, tomestones will keep a pretty sufficient bottleneck in actually improving your gear. Which is a good thing. I can't predict the future, neither can anyone else in this thread, which was kind of my main point with making a claim of irrelevancy this early doesn't make any sense.

[Gamemako]

In my experience, only people who care enough about the game post on the forums. Of the people who post on here expressing their dissatisfaction and hopes for improvements there will be many more who aren't aware of the forums, don't want to subject themselves to the vitriol and bickering of gaming forums in general, or simply don't care enough to post on them. They'll just unsubscribe and proceed to tell their friends, "That game was garbage!". I know of at least four rl friends who've done this. Path of least resistance and all that.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and there are a lot of squeaky wheels here. Just look at the servers represented: there are 5 times as many non-legacy servers as legacy servers, but looking up the page, we have 28 of the last 70 posts from legacy servers. 40% of posts representing 20% of players. The selection bias isn't exactly unpredictable. That's not to say that complaints aren't valid, but all of those players who haven't finished everything already aren't going to be here on the forums defending SE from something they yet know nothing about. We are all the vocal minority, which is why the troll above pulled the bandwagon card in the first place.

[Peptaru]

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Your point does not at all detract from the person you quoted, so I'm guessing you're in agreement? It's just phrased strangely for an agreement post.