Improve Dragoon DPS. WEAK in comparison to other DPS

[PArcher]

I'm not heavily into numbers but doing coil 4 last night me (smn) and a blm were out doing a drg and brd by a huge margin and if I remember right they had better gear.

Whwn I tank though I notice drgs draw a huge amount of emnity.

DRG + BRD do less overall damage than BLM + SMN. BRD are the lowest DPS, even with a DRG boosting them, and especially if they're singing (which I always assume you've brought them to sing, otherwise get another DRG or a MNK. Ballad is a DPS decrease for them, and if he's singing Foe's you can't forget he's boosting YOU, so there's even more of a difference).


A DRG doing things right will be at the top of the aggro list; we have one aggro-dump skill that you do not use unless you absolutely have to, so we only gain aggro, never lose it.

T4, both our DRG will be fighting over tanking the first Knight in phase 2 as our PLD tries to hold aggro on the Soldier (Keen Flurry + Bloodbath works really well here), and on almost every boss fight, I'll be #2 or #3 on the aggro list (depending if its a 4-man or 8-man; right behind the tanks); I look up at the meters on Titan EX occasionally and see me really close to the tanks a lot. And if the DRG is more geared than the tank...that first burst rotation the DRG does can very easily steal aggro if the tank can't generate enough aggro in such a short period of time.

[JetBrooks]

I find the dragoon rotation far easier than monks, nothing complex about it. A lot of it isn't even positional. Most annoying part of monk I find is keeping my GL3 up in a lot of fights.

I dunno, DRG has a 31-32 move rotation (that's counting oGCDs, and there is a best way to use them), with absolutely mandatory positionals, for optimal DPS. I don't think it's any harder than MNK or vise versa, but I feel a lot of people saying LOLDRG probably aren't playing the job optimally. For example, I am very very very rarely outdamaged by other DRGs, and all I'm doing is a 32-move rotation. It ain't rocket surgery, but it doesn't seem like everyone's doing it right.

[whiskeybravo]

Rocket surgery lol

Yea, I'm only i80 Drg, no Zenith, and am still usually on top of aggro list behind the tanks. All about that rotation.

[EasymodeX]

logrep has the absolute shittiest DPS aggregation and "DPS" numbers, by a landslide, or so my friend tells me.

Anyone who cites "total DPS" as reported by logrep without a screenshot of the damage / DPS breakdown should generally be ignored, IMO.

Given that critical hits have a variety of +% dmg (its not a "fix" %, it can be +22 / + certainly something / +50 / +66%), how come determination is so valuable ?

Critical hits are +50% damage. All attacks have a +/-5% variance applied for randomness.

Determination just adds more base damage than crit rating adds crit% worth of damage. Well, technically DTR both "adds" base damage and it aggregates with STR to multiply weapon damage.

[Omagana]

I dunno, DRG has a 31-32 move rotation (that's counting oGCDs, and there is a best way to use them), with absolutely mandatory positionals, for optimal DPS. I don't think it's any harder than MNK or vise versa, but I feel a lot of people saying LOLDRG probably aren't playing the job optimally. For example, I am very very very rarely outdamaged by other DRGs, and all I'm doing is a 32-move rotation. It ain't rocket surgery, but it doesn't seem like everyone's doing it right.

You can pretty much say the same for monk. It's mandatory positionals for optimal monk DPS as well, all of the monk combo moves lose potency if not done from the correct position.

I don't main either monk or dragoon, I know the dragoon rotation is long and I very much doubt I do it flawlessly, but I do find it flows better than monks and is easier to maintain despite boss mechanics. With dragoon I rarely have to think "what should I move into next".

Rocket surgery lol

Yea, I'm only i80 Drg, no Zenith, and am still usually on top of aggro list behind the tanks. All about that rotation.

I found this, did a monk first and then a dragoon. Dragoon feels like the black mage of physical dps, dem big crits!

[Lemon8or]

Yea, I'm only i80 Drg, no Zenith, and am still usually on top of aggro list behind the tanks. All about that rotation.

Because being on top of aggro list means top DPS amirite?

[whiskeybravo]

Because being on top of aggro list means top DPS amirite?

I haven't set a parser up to know for sure.. But within the group, if I do (and I do regularly) pull off the tank, then yes, I assume I'm a bad ass lol

[PArcher]

You can pretty much say the same for monk. It's mandatory positionals for optimal monk DPS as well, all of the monk combo moves lose potency if not done from the correct position.

MNK don't have mandatory positionals though...they happen to be unable to hit flank or back they can still keep going with their rotation and keep GL up. They just do a little less damage, but still work

DRG...they can't hit the back, no Disembowel or Chaos Thrust. No flank...Heavy Thrust doesn't work.

[Sygmaelle]

Critical hits are +50% damage. All attacks have a +/-5% variance applied for randomness.

Determination just adds more base damage than crit rating adds crit% worth of damage. Well, technically DTR both "adds" base damage and it aggregates with STR to multiply weapon damage.

I'm fairly certain I saw +66% dmg more than once in the ingame combat log tho :/ and it always alternate with random values, still don't understand that.

But ok I see, thanks =) best would be to have multiple sets given X encounter and the group you're with then.

[Omagana]

MNK don't have mandatory positionals though...they happen to be unable to hit flank or back they can still keep going with their rotation and keep GL up. They just do a little less damage, but still work

DRG...they can't hit the back, no Disembowel or Chaos Thrust. No flank...Heavy Thrust doesn't work.

Mandatory for achieving what? optimal dps? They both require access to rear and flank for that and in fact monk requires more frequent access.