Improve Dragoon DPS. WEAK in comparison to other DPS

[Omagana]

I dunno, DRG has a 31-32 move rotation (that's counting oGCDs, and there is a best way to use them), with absolutely mandatory positionals, for optimal DPS. I don't think it's any harder than MNK or vise versa, but I feel a lot of people saying LOLDRG probably aren't playing the job optimally. For example, I am very very very rarely outdamaged by other DRGs, and all I'm doing is a 32-move rotation. It ain't rocket surgery, but it doesn't seem like everyone's doing it right.

You can pretty much say the same for monk. It's mandatory positionals for optimal monk DPS as well, all of the monk combo moves lose potency if not done from the correct position.

I don't main either monk or dragoon, I know the dragoon rotation is long and I very much doubt I do it flawlessly, but I do find it flows better than monks and is easier to maintain despite boss mechanics. With dragoon I rarely have to think "what should I move into next".

Rocket surgery lol

Yea, I'm only i80 Drg, no Zenith, and am still usually on top of aggro list behind the tanks. All about that rotation.

I found this, did a monk first and then a dragoon. Dragoon feels like the black mage of physical dps, dem big crits!

[PArcher]

You can pretty much say the same for monk. It's mandatory positionals for optimal monk DPS as well, all of the monk combo moves lose potency if not done from the correct position.

MNK don't have mandatory positionals though...they happen to be unable to hit flank or back they can still keep going with their rotation and keep GL up. They just do a little less damage, but still work

DRG...they can't hit the back, no Disembowel or Chaos Thrust. No flank...Heavy Thrust doesn't work.

[Omagana]

MNK don't have mandatory positionals though...they happen to be unable to hit flank or back they can still keep going with their rotation and keep GL up. They just do a little less damage, but still work

DRG...they can't hit the back, no Disembowel or Chaos Thrust. No flank...Heavy Thrust doesn't work.

Mandatory for achieving what? optimal dps? They both require access to rear and flank for that and in fact monk requires more frequent access.

[Vodomir]

Mandatory for achieving what? optimal dps? They both require access to rear and flank for that and in fact monk requires more frequent access.

Let me rephrase the "mandatory" part as missing a positional on a MNK doesn't impair your rotation, you just keep going - miss a positional on a DRG and your rotation is messed up big time. See how that is not even in the same boat?

[PArcher]

Mandatory for achieving what? optimal dps? They both require access to rear and flank for that and in fact monk requires more frequent access.

Monk is not mandatory in the sense that you can be off position and still complete your rotation and keep GL3 up. If a MNK makes a mistake and misses their positional, they can keep going.

DRG cannot do that; they MUST hit the positionals or they're stuck TTTing or mashing ID or HT til they can get it to work. DRG miss a positional, they have to try again, stopping their rotation entirely

Optimal is just that...optimal. EVERY job has an optimal rotation to maximize DPS.

[JetBrooks]

Monk is not mandatory in the sense that you can be off position and still complete your rotation and keep GL3 up. If a MNK makes a mistake and misses their positional, they can keep going.

DRG cannot do that; they MUST hit the positionals or they're stuck TTTing or mashing ID or HT til they can get it to work. DRG miss a positional, they have to try again, stopping their rotation entirely

People not recognizing this is precisely what I mean when I say a lot of people don't fully understand DRG.

[BlackThought]

People not recognizing this is precisely what I mean when I say a lot of people don't fully understand DRG.

I really feel it's willful ignorance, at this point. This game's been out awhile now but folks insist on clinging to their biases.