Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?

[Xenor]

Peregrine you're just getting ridiculous with your claims now. Everyone with 200mil gil bots? Just because you don't make finished items doesn't mean everyone who does bots. Most serious crafters passed 100mil months ago and the ones with time to farm lots of HQ mats passed 200mil a while ago. It's not about botting, you can't bot +2 and +3 high end items. Time is the winner here and no one wants to make HQing easy to remove the time factor or crafting becomes worthless.

I really don't see the huge advantage of having lots of rank 50 crafts other than being able to make the parts yourself and rank 35-40 is high enough to do that. I play a lot and I simply don't have time to produce HQ items on CRP and GLD, nevermind more crafts if I had them at 50. CRP is a fulltime job. I don't bother with GLD because the jewellery market is trash and I don't have time to HQ bhujs.

Also bots can move anywhere they want. I wasn't talking about shard bots that sit in a cave. That sea hare camp requires movement that takes you down a path and then round a right turn. Yet people bot it. I think the reason you don't see gathering bots is because someone who bots can better spend their time botting crafts to 50 and buying gathered items which are nearly all trash.

Your stash of HQ ores is worthless so why is the market for items made with HQ nuggets more valid than the Jade Crook market? I can HQ3 any mat with NQ items. I've made mahogany lumber +3 a couple of times with NQ logs and that's the highest log. Mahogany log +3 or even +2 are rare as hell but they're worthless. Sure it's wrong that I can +3 with NQ mats just as easily as +3 mats but that's the way it is. It definitely needs changing if you want the gatherer to hold more power.

Jade crooks aren't as easy to make as you think. You have to be a botanist if you want a reasonable supply of walnut branch +3 for starters. Unless you farm them off efts but I imagine that would be painful. You have to farm hares for the acid but this is irrelevant because you get them farming bow mats, one mistake by SE. +3 spoken blood is rare as hell just because of how difficult it is to get chigoe mobs. Making HQ brass nuggets isn't exactly fun either.

The point is the market should exist for that effort. Problem is the game servers are empty so people aren't buying anything. I'm not lowering my prices as a result of that. They can sell when the playerbase jumps with 1.18. I'm not a greedy "NOW NOW NOW pls lty me sel first" crafter or gatherer. That's why the millions flood into my bank account while others struggle for every 100k.

[Judge_Xero]

Wouldn't mind Auto-Leveler for Crafting. Crafting gear for my LS is fun. Getting to a high rank to craft gear for my High Rank LS members is tough. Feeling good about it cause I worked hard for it is nice. It would make it so LS's would have to work harder as a team due to the increase in the cost of mats. As it is now, everyone in the LS's are trying to max all crafts, cause it's cheap and easy, instead of each person having a purpose.

[syntaxlies]

There needs to be a system in place to keep everyone from being a lvl50 crafter. I think multi-craft in smaller amounts with a risk of fail would make the whole process faster and more interesting without just handed out rank 50 to everyone. Why dont you just buy a character on ebay if you dont want to work for it.

[TheVedis]

There needs to be a system in place to keep everyone from being a lvl50 crafter. I think multi-craft in smaller amounts with a risk of fail would make the whole process faster and more interesting without just handed out rank 50 to everyone. Why dont you just buy a character on ebay if you dont want to work for it.

there is a system

its called "taking forever to do it"

[syntaxlies]

there is a system

its called "taking forever to do it"

I appreciate the current system, but i think it could go a little faster. There are many people who think they shuold be able to buy there rank 50.

[syntaxlies]

and i wasnt saying there needs to be a system because there is not one. I mean the taking forever system needs to stay cause many people want to auto lvl there crafts which i dont agree with.

there is a system

its called "taking forever to do it"

[TheVedis]

and i wasnt saying there needs to be a system because there is not one. I mean the taking forever system needs to stay cause many people want to auto lvl there crafts which i dont agree with.

exactly
i got 3 50 crafts, soon to be 6, and its taken me FOREVER to earn that
earning it, something alot of people just do not understand the concept of, people like to be handed things obviously

[Judge_Xero]

I wouldn't mind the Auto-Level craft system, not because I want to be handed things, but because spamming "Enter" does take away from the Classyness of a FF title. Actually making a craft is pretty good imo. The mini-game isn't too bad for making hard to make synths and HQ items (randomness aside). So there are some things that would make Auto-Craft less of an Easy Mode.

-DoL Items should be DoL specific (no ore dropping from Mobs, Branches, Grass, fish)
-Drop rate of alot of items will need to be adjusted
- Crystals and Shards should only come from Harvesting or Levequest Mobs and synthing fish (not random mobs)
- Amount of shards made from Synthesizing should be adjusted so Alchemy isn't the only Craft being played

I know it's not perfect but my line of thought is that
-(Buy Gil's) grind low level mobs for shards and crystals to sell
-Shards/Crystals are the biggest (Buy Gil) market
-(Buy Gil's) Grind Alchemy to make Shards
- Botters Farm Mobs for ore, coral, branches etc
-Havesting Bots are way more obvious than crafting bots

Summary - Harder to find mats and shards paired with Auto-Craft will even out Crafting. People that don't really want to craft, wont take the time to Harvest/ Find a Harvester that can supply them with mats. Harvesting bots are easy to spot and exile. (Buy Gil's) will have a harder time making gil to sell for real money

Besides, can't have auto-attack without auto-craft

[Bigglesworth]

Where is the "Dislike" button when I need it?

[syntaxlies]

You sure do know a lot about bots

No, YOU are wrong. The paths the shard bots take are simplistic patterns meant to pick up and detect new selectable targets on their screen so they don't get stuck facing a wall with no targets. They can't run from node to node. You don't understand what the shard bots are trying to do. That it can move rooms is only a consequence of it hooking onto something. It doesn't work for gathering.

Some douche didn't decide the jade crook market shouldn't exist. That market never had a chance. It is by far the easiest spammable garbage HQ out there. YOU were going to run out of conjurers eventually. +3 or NPC. That is the ONLY endgame of a system that focuses on the things this one does. Like the devs said, redefine what you focus on. If you're a bubble riding crafter, or a best HQ of the best gear spammer, you're going to run out of market. You don't have a business plan. You have a golddigging boom and bust mentality. That's not crafting.

If they take cheap materials away from drone crafters, it'll be harder to get to 50. If they don't let everyone and their mother basically spam enter to their way to a basically free R50 craft, it'll be harder.

Autolevelling actually makes it harder to get to 50. Again, right now no one pays for materials, because crafters automatically count the cost of time it takes to turn them into something useful as a DISCOUNT on goods.