Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[Hitome]

Not everyone sees failure as suffering, or solving challenges without guides as encouraging mediocrity.

This surprises me. Do you remember a certain thread about a week or two ago involving Titan Ex? Many people were quite upset with him. I could link you to about 5 threads regarding complaints about Titan HM as well. I would say these players do not enjoy death.

But I agree with your overall point: failure is not necessarily suffering. To me, failing a fight just means I need to do better next time. We are the minority in this regard. Been in DF lately? Two attempts is pretty much all it takes before you see a vote abandon pop up. :\ People have no will power and no patience.

Hitome, you realize that helping people is satisfying. However, you think helping means teaching strategies. I think helping means giving people a competent ally while they develop a solution. Solving the challenge is more fun than being told the answer.

I agree. Which is why I posted this earlier in the thread:

Except sat in DF HM Titan pre 2.1 for hours upon hours helping new players to the fight. I didn't care what kind of gear they had, what prior experience they had, or anything else. I had no expectations: it was Titan HM in a DF group. I did not attempt to teach the new players: just let them experience it for the first time. Know how many fights I won prior to 2.1 in DF? Three. Three out of 108 fights.

Yes, not everyone learns by videos. I assume many were able to get a little bit of experience in all of those fights even after dying so much. However, as you can see by the success rate, doing your research is probably a wise idea.

My attitude in FF14: Why should I need to watch a video? Every encounter I've been involved with I've overcome. I've done it all and have cleared most content faster than ~97% of my server and ~95% of the general population.

You can leave learning a fight to DF matches. If a PF group requests experienced players and a person knowingly joins without any experience, he/she deserves what they get.

DF will always be extremes. You can hide behind anonymity and will never see most of the people there again.

Even with these hindrances, you can still learn quite a lot in DF.

I honestly wish people would read what I write. I do not give advice unless asked. I was silent during most of the Titan HM runs unless I saw a place to make a comment that would improve group morale or offer up a new strategy.

I myself have told you I do not use strategies or videos on my first go around. Some of us do not need them. But, from my experience in DF, many could benefit from them.

Again, I ask: what endgame DF content have you all done and how many times? I am talking about HM primals and Ex primals. I'd venture a guess and say that this is not a popular activity for many people. Low tome reward, no gear incentives one you get what you want, etc. I've been there doing Ifrit/Garuda/Titan HM DF since September. The first time I did Titan DF for fun was in November.

On top of that, I was part of a LS that helped people through Titan HM for free on a regular basis.

My claims are not without merit. 111 runs alone on Titan is quite a large sample size. Now my next goal is to do Titan Ex in a DF (already knocked out the other two). I really wish some of you would give DF Titan a shot now and let me know how it works.