Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

[Verius_Nox]

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1. Okay, let me be more relevant. Twintania. If you're experiencing lag, you're going to mess up a conflag, or lag and get hit by dive bomb/twister/hellfire. I don't even need a parser for this, you need to fix your connection or you're not coming.

2. If they're learning the fight, then they're in a learners group and most people don't care that much, they care more about how well you progress with each pull. Gear is accounted for, usually with the ridiculously high ilvl standards people through in for their runs.

3. Then don't DF if it's that much of an issue for you. I certainly refuse to.

4. So blame the car for the drunk driver? Exactly what it is implied. An idiot being an idiot, but people blaming the tool.

5. That's your error. It takes one click to switch to your real gear if you use the item set page. Own up to your mistake, and carry on.

[Mykll]

If there was something most people could fix with their internet, they would. Once it goes from the computer to the modem, in whatever form that modem takes, it is now outside of the end user's hand. Funny how 20+ different online games I have ZERO problems with lag. Only in this one. And you are right, I am not coming. I refuse to do Titan HM anymore and will be forever stuck with only 1 relic for 1 job. Beyond giving reports to SE and my internet provider, there is nothing for ME to fix. It is SE's networking code, how they decide to do things server side, and the internet path AFTER my computer. I.E., nothing for me to fix. Good thing there are still a lot of other things for me to do and enjoy. Hell I have played a number of MMOs on dialup, and outside of a little delay in my moving (1k ms+ pings will do that to you) when I was out of the aoe on my screen, guess what, I never got hit. Oh yeah, except for once again this game.

Just giving more examples that it is not always JUST A and B for bad melee dps. Also, again with WoW, I have seen people rage on lesser DPS people when the run otherwise went smooth with ZERO problems. The lesser DPS were of the appropriate level for the dungeon, the e-peeners were just heavily geared out and I could see no reason why they would be there slumming in the "lesser" dungeons. You know it is going to happen, someone is going to run their parser, get on their ilvl 200 tank, and talk smack and down to the ilvl 50-55 DPS for not "pulling their weight" in WP.

When people start being d-bags to people because of parsers, and this game becomes another WoW gearscore / parser / tunnel run aoe everything, then yes I will cancel my sub here just like I did WoW. I have already seen it start to happen in this game. You run WP because it provides some upgrades fresh-ish into 50, and for tomes, and then get raged upon because the tank in ilvl 90 does more dps. That is the WoW mentality. Especially with their heroics. If you don't seriously out level the dungeon so much there are no upgrades so that you can keep up with THEM, then they will throw ilvl / parser / spreadsheets at you. Same argument as going into WP as DF, and then being angry with the group when they don't make it a speed run. Exactly the same thing.

More people will use it as a bashing look how great I am tool, instead of a learning and teaching tool. We've all seen the PF comments and the attitudes. We just don't want to see it get worse.

It also takes a few seconds for the tank (who whoever, I can't always blame the tank) to make sure everyone is ready and at least buffed. That is not my mistake and I am certainly not going to make an item set for very temporary means.

You are right, it is a tool. People are idiots need to blame the idiots. Guess what else? SE change the CT "In Progress" tool because of those idiots. So yeah the tool can get the blame and can get changed because of the number of trolls the anonymous internet lets loose upon the world. A number of other tools got dumbed down or changed because of the trolls. I don't want SE to release another tool that will just open up the floodgates even more to them.

You want an official parser? Then let SE give you the exact numbers while you attack a dummy target. When you stop, you get your DPS. And ONLY yours. Or HPS. People can improve themselves, and it won't be a grief tool. Your non-DF static group having problems? Then your DPS can go whack at a dummy and see how they can individually improve. They can even have a raid attack dummy like WoW, so that your Light or Full party can together in the group check the individual DPS, as I am sure they will be higher as a group, with group buffs and debuffs. And guess what? Then it won't be available for the griefers. Everyone wins.

[Sfarzoso]

Oh btw SE has banned players for admitting the use of a Parser, since it is against the TOS.

To the best of my knowledge SE cannot detect that you are using one, but if you come forth and say you do use one, they can, and probably will ban you.

Which is a reason why I don't use any kind of Parser, too much time spent on building my Character to afford a ban.

Also check out this Reddit post, be very careful when you are talking about Parser.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._for_ffxivapp/

All I can say is. Amen to this.

[Wizhard]

Parsers bring transparency to DPS players actions in a group, making their mistakes as obvious as the tank or the healer ones. And people are afraid of that, of course.

[Mykll]

Parsers bring transparency to DPS players actions in a group, making their mistakes as obvious as the tank or the healer ones. And people are afraid of that, of course.

No. We don't want another tool for trolling and griefing. If WoW (and other games with a parser) has proven to us that it will overwhelmingly be used as a teaching tool, to better the game, etc. then we would not have a problem. But that will not be the majority of its use. Its the exact same thing LotA. Or when you do a lower level roulette and get a brand new tank or someone. Remember the attitudes the WEEK of LotA release? Just 2 days after release? A lot of raging towards anyone new not knowing the fights when it just came out. Nobody wanting to wait for explanations, and then rage when something goes wrong. Same thing for watching cutscenes. Nobody wants you to do that, so you can play the game THEIR way, and not drag or slow THEM down. Party Finder comments and attitudes? Will just be another tool to grief, separate, and a number of other things. It will just be something else that will be used for harassment. This isn't WoW, but WoW taught us how the anonymous internet users will use it.

And how are tank and healer mistakes so obvious? Tank loses agro. Did DPS not follow markings? Did the healer spam heal when it wasn't needed and got agro? Nobody on same page as far as sleeping, aoes, etc? Did tank just not use enmity abilities?

[SarcasmMisser]

And how are tank and healer mistakes so obvious? Tank loses agro. Did DPS not follow markings? Did the healer spam heal when it wasn't needed and got agro? Nobody on same page as far as sleeping, aoes, etc? Did tank just not use enmity abilities?

Yes it's such an engima, if only there were visible in-game aggro tables that let you diagnose the cause of this problem.

Oh wait there is, much unlike dps tables.

[Verius_Nox]

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People are going to be douchebags regardless of whether or not there is a DPS parser.

At this rate, we should remove all numbers because people seeing how much my single Fire 3 can do may cause someone to be mean to me.

[ZDamned]

So... if I use a parser to see that as a Paladin Tank, I am out-damaging the Black Mage in my party, and I get angry for having my time wasted for being in a party with this person, I'm harassing him when I want to leave a dungeon without a 30 minute penalty?

BUT!

If I can read between the lines of my battle log, and add up my damage numbers per 2.5 seconds each since I play on the GCD, and find that in the time My party's Black Mage deals out 1200 Damage with his Fire 3 Chain casting, I am able to put out 1400 damage with my Rage of Halone combo in the same time, on the same enemy, since it didn't die yet... >.> Then I am totally allowed to be a jerk and harass him/her?

Cool. I'll keep doing this and calling out people who are wasting my time and harassing me with bad ignorant play styles.

I have a VERY limited play schedule, and a party stole over an hour and a Half worth of MY time on MY weekend by not allowing me to vote abandon an AK run where my group was unable to beat the Demon Wall after 5 attempts. I had previously discovered the exact above issue, and wish I could have had a tool to show me ahead of time what the deficiency was in my party.

Turns out the player got angry at me when I noticed this, and tried to correct the problem, by teaching them touse Fire 3 > 1 until Proc/almost OOM.

I'm sorry, but when I only have 2 hours to play the game, I want to have fun, not feel trolled by people who can't be bothered to want to play better. Where is my ability to report bad play as harassment? Where is my time back?

[NightWrath]

^^^^^

The problem is, that most ppl aren't just bad, they also don't want to learn and don't try, "oh this is just a game", same that this ppl ruin the game for us, i also have around ~3h to play a day. SE has copy many good thing from wow, but they still have things to learn, for example, there if u defeat a boss u can leave without penalty, so if see ur group is a trash u go till first boss, defeat it and leave, this way no penalty for u and to replace is faster cause of priority in queue.

[AdvancedWind]

There's no valid reason not to use parsers. It is an useful tool in a raid setting. Yes, it allows us to "call out" people who are underperforming, but guess what? That's not a bad thing.

If a player is underperforming, they need to take responsibility and step up their game for serious endgaming. Even outside of an organized raid, yes, it is important to find out players who are seriously underperforming. We can give tips to improve his performance, try to find out what's keeping his damage so low and try to solve the issue. We can also just randomly guess and get nowhere.

Also, it's cool if you are willing to keep wiping on the same battle over and over in a PUG because one of your party members is consistently rock bottom on DPS and you're failing checks even when everyone avoids everything and is geared for the fight. I'm not. I would kick said player and get a better DPS, and the best way to be fair about that is, guess what, parsers, instead of random "I guess it's you because I saw you on the bottom of the enmity list", which is the only way we can estimate damage in game right now (and that's a terrible benchmark).

It's obvious when a healer or tank is underperforming. You can see tank not avoiding stuff, you can see the tank not getting enough heals, you can see the tank mispositioning the enemy, etc. You can't see bad DPS unless parsers are involved, and, for almost every player really serious about raiding, this is important to know.

Would some people abuse the hell out of others due to absurdly unrealistic expectations if a built in parser existed in game? Of course. But said people will find a way to abuse others regardless of parsers or anything else. This is not an issue with parsers, it is with the person.