Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

[Mykll]

1. Then they should make sure they have a stable connection, those lag issues could get them killed on fights with Titan. A dead mans DPS is 0.

2. Usually accounted for. If a fight is so drastically bad that a melee DPS can't achieve top DPS then it's either A. Melee DPS needs to be tuned up or B. The fight is bad for melee and you won't be taking very many(if any at all) for that particular fight

3. This question actually supports the use of a parser, seeing where a burst based DPS should be for burst required parts of a fight.(Conflags) or where a DPS isn't utilizing his cooldowns for a specific part(again Conflags). If the conflags go out with no problem, then there isn't a problem, if you're not making it through, the use of the parser allows you to see who needs to improve so your team can progress.

4. Usually accounted for. If people blindly go about the numbers then they're dumb, plain and simple. Can't blame a parser for this. e.g. can't blame the Bard for being lower than everyone when they were playing ballad/paeon

5. Irrelevant. Your DPS is what your DPS is regardless if you zoned out for 3 seconds before unloading on a boss or not.

1. The entire game is not like Titan. And most people are unwilling to pay extra money just to have a better internet connection. I have 1 choice of internet out here in the country that does not have bandwidth limits. I won't pay about twice the money for possibly better internet and have my cap at 1 GB or less, and have to pay extra out the nose if I go over, or worse yet, they slow my internet down to a crawl like some do, which defeats the purpose of trying for a better internet provider. And I also won't pay for any VPN or other such connection, on top of my internet, on top of my monthly sub, when any lag I get in game, only happens in this one game and no other.

2. Or they are learning the fight, or they are not geared as well as everyone else.

3. So your team can progress? Good point for a parser. I agree. Unfortunately it will also be used to look down on random DF people. And with a lot of random DF people, after a wipe the rage quits start, which voids some of the "so your team can continue", unless you have a static, and hopefully your static won't be d-bags to each other.

4. People do blindly go with the numbers. Let's face it. People are idiots. Unfortunately the e-peen strokers will be a far greater number than the genuine "parser helper" people.

5. Get a DF for Titan or something. You were out in the wild spiritbonding crap gear. Everyone skips the movie, and before you can put in your real gear or the healers buff the tank pulls. It happens. And then someone will rage on you that you did low DPS and are wearing crap gear.

[Verius_Nox]

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1. Okay, let me be more relevant. Twintania. If you're experiencing lag, you're going to mess up a conflag, or lag and get hit by dive bomb/twister/hellfire. I don't even need a parser for this, you need to fix your connection or you're not coming.

2. If they're learning the fight, then they're in a learners group and most people don't care that much, they care more about how well you progress with each pull. Gear is accounted for, usually with the ridiculously high ilvl standards people through in for their runs.

3. Then don't DF if it's that much of an issue for you. I certainly refuse to.

4. So blame the car for the drunk driver? Exactly what it is implied. An idiot being an idiot, but people blaming the tool.

5. That's your error. It takes one click to switch to your real gear if you use the item set page. Own up to your mistake, and carry on.

[Mykll]

If there was something most people could fix with their internet, they would. Once it goes from the computer to the modem, in whatever form that modem takes, it is now outside of the end user's hand. Funny how 20+ different online games I have ZERO problems with lag. Only in this one. And you are right, I am not coming. I refuse to do Titan HM anymore and will be forever stuck with only 1 relic for 1 job. Beyond giving reports to SE and my internet provider, there is nothing for ME to fix. It is SE's networking code, how they decide to do things server side, and the internet path AFTER my computer. I.E., nothing for me to fix. Good thing there are still a lot of other things for me to do and enjoy. Hell I have played a number of MMOs on dialup, and outside of a little delay in my moving (1k ms+ pings will do that to you) when I was out of the aoe on my screen, guess what, I never got hit. Oh yeah, except for once again this game.

Just giving more examples that it is not always JUST A and B for bad melee dps. Also, again with WoW, I have seen people rage on lesser DPS people when the run otherwise went smooth with ZERO problems. The lesser DPS were of the appropriate level for the dungeon, the e-peeners were just heavily geared out and I could see no reason why they would be there slumming in the "lesser" dungeons. You know it is going to happen, someone is going to run their parser, get on their ilvl 200 tank, and talk smack and down to the ilvl 50-55 DPS for not "pulling their weight" in WP.

When people start being d-bags to people because of parsers, and this game becomes another WoW gearscore / parser / tunnel run aoe everything, then yes I will cancel my sub here just like I did WoW. I have already seen it start to happen in this game. You run WP because it provides some upgrades fresh-ish into 50, and for tomes, and then get raged upon because the tank in ilvl 90 does more dps. That is the WoW mentality. Especially with their heroics. If you don't seriously out level the dungeon so much there are no upgrades so that you can keep up with THEM, then they will throw ilvl / parser / spreadsheets at you. Same argument as going into WP as DF, and then being angry with the group when they don't make it a speed run. Exactly the same thing.

More people will use it as a bashing look how great I am tool, instead of a learning and teaching tool. We've all seen the PF comments and the attitudes. We just don't want to see it get worse.

It also takes a few seconds for the tank (who whoever, I can't always blame the tank) to make sure everyone is ready and at least buffed. That is not my mistake and I am certainly not going to make an item set for very temporary means.

You are right, it is a tool. People are idiots need to blame the idiots. Guess what else? SE change the CT "In Progress" tool because of those idiots. So yeah the tool can get the blame and can get changed because of the number of trolls the anonymous internet lets loose upon the world. A number of other tools got dumbed down or changed because of the trolls. I don't want SE to release another tool that will just open up the floodgates even more to them.

You want an official parser? Then let SE give you the exact numbers while you attack a dummy target. When you stop, you get your DPS. And ONLY yours. Or HPS. People can improve themselves, and it won't be a grief tool. Your non-DF static group having problems? Then your DPS can go whack at a dummy and see how they can individually improve. They can even have a raid attack dummy like WoW, so that your Light or Full party can together in the group check the individual DPS, as I am sure they will be higher as a group, with group buffs and debuffs. And guess what? Then it won't be available for the griefers. Everyone wins.

[Verius_Nox]

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People are going to be douchebags regardless of whether or not there is a DPS parser.

At this rate, we should remove all numbers because people seeing how much my single Fire 3 can do may cause someone to be mean to me.

[ZDamned]

So... if I use a parser to see that as a Paladin Tank, I am out-damaging the Black Mage in my party, and I get angry for having my time wasted for being in a party with this person, I'm harassing him when I want to leave a dungeon without a 30 minute penalty?

BUT!

If I can read between the lines of my battle log, and add up my damage numbers per 2.5 seconds each since I play on the GCD, and find that in the time My party's Black Mage deals out 1200 Damage with his Fire 3 Chain casting, I am able to put out 1400 damage with my Rage of Halone combo in the same time, on the same enemy, since it didn't die yet... >.> Then I am totally allowed to be a jerk and harass him/her?

Cool. I'll keep doing this and calling out people who are wasting my time and harassing me with bad ignorant play styles.

I have a VERY limited play schedule, and a party stole over an hour and a Half worth of MY time on MY weekend by not allowing me to vote abandon an AK run where my group was unable to beat the Demon Wall after 5 attempts. I had previously discovered the exact above issue, and wish I could have had a tool to show me ahead of time what the deficiency was in my party.

Turns out the player got angry at me when I noticed this, and tried to correct the problem, by teaching them touse Fire 3 > 1 until Proc/almost OOM.

I'm sorry, but when I only have 2 hours to play the game, I want to have fun, not feel trolled by people who can't be bothered to want to play better. Where is my ability to report bad play as harassment? Where is my time back?

[Mykll]

Then I am totally allowed to be a jerk and harass him/her?

You shouldn't be a jerk and harass no.

I have a VERY limited play schedule, and a party stole over an hour and a Half worth of MY time on MY weekend by not allowing me to vote abandon an AK run where my group was unable to beat the Demon Wall after 5 attempts.

You wasted your own time by not taking the 30 minute hit, and then you would still be ahead one hour.

Turns out the player got angry at me when I noticed this, and tried to correct the problem, by teaching them touse Fire 3 > 1 until Proc/almost OOM.

As long as you were not being a jerk and harassing, and actually trying to be helpful, then you did the right thing and the other guy was at fault for getting angry. Going by your tone doesn't sound like you were being pleasant with your helpfulness.

I'm sorry, but when I only have 2 hours to play the game, I want to have fun, not feel trolled by people who can't be bothered to want to play better. Where is my ability to report bad play as harassment? Where is my time back?

If your time is so limited and precious then Duty Finder is not for you. Find some friends, LS, FC.... Don't count on DF to find you 3 perfect party members.

[ZDamned]

Why were they allowed to harass me by locking me out of playing the game for 30 minutes? It didn't take a tool for them to be that way, nor did it take a tool for me to recognize where the issue was, and I called the player out for the same reason the parser seems to be a problem. Should reading our Battle Log be a ban-able offense as well?

[Verius_Nox]

If your time is so limited and precious then Duty Finder is not for you. Find some friends, LS, FC.... Don't count on DF to find you 3 perfect party members.

Wrong. DF is for people who don't have a lot of time to devote and want to get a quick dungeon in.

When I roll in as a tank, I'm expected to know my class, know how to keep threat, know every boss, know where to lead people, know where to position mobs/bosses, and know when to interrupt/stun things. Failing ANY of these, I would get vote kicked, harassed, and bullied WITHOUT THE USE OF A PARSER.

Why is it then the moment a damage class is in question as to whether or not they're playing their class correctly, it's this giant problem?