Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

[Lithera]

Classes have hate shed abilities that make it difficult to use the threat meter in game to gauge who's performing well. If you PUG two DPS for Coil and cant clear Turn 4 are you going to just boot both PUGs? What if one of your static DPS is just having a bad night? At one point we possibly could have kicked our now static BLM when we picked her up as a PUG when it was the PUG BRD who was falling short. Sure you can look at the battle log every so often or the onscreen graphics and notice a DPS isn't using certain abilities or combos but you cant always manage that.

[SarcasmMisser]

Parsers are a great tool by yourself for min-maxing your damage output, and great in a group if you're not afraid of peer review. Peer review is how you learn how much you can improve, being against it is being against learning.

This is a pretty tired debate so I leave it at that. My mindset is always focused on improvement and being the best I can be at my job, some people don't care about that so what's the point of preaching. At the end of the day parsers will always exist one way or another so I have no stake in this matter.

[ZeroHigh]

Parsers are a great tool by yourself for min-maxing your damage output, and great in a group if you're not afraid of peer review. Peer review is how you learn how much you can improve, being against it is being against learning.

This is a pretty tired debate so I leave it at that. My mindset is always focused on improvement and being the best I can be at my job, some people don't care about that so what's the point of preaching. At the end of the day parsers will always exist one way or another so I have no stake in this matter.

I mean this is what you hope parsers are you used for, a tool to help each other grow, but the reality is that it's more often used to gate/alienate other players. I'm all for personal parsers that only shows your dmg though.

[SarcasmMisser]

I mean this is what you hope parsers are you used for, a tool to help each other grow, but the reality is that it's more often used to gate/alienate other players. I'm all for personal parsers that only shows your dmg though.

Hope? It's what I always see it used for in my static and circles of players.

Also really you make it sound like its the fault of the parser. The knife analogy used before is useful; why be against a useful tool because idiots misuse it, shouldn't you be against idiots?

And finally this point keeps on getting brought up but I must emphasise, I have no sympathy. Tanks deal with this all the time because bad tank play is obvious and cannot be dissolved into the group, bad healer play is also obvious as healer tasks are often divided. Dps however can hide in a group, and dissolve responsibility of poor play among the others when there is a single bad player. A parser brings them up to the level of responsibility and peer critique that the other roles deal with constantly, and being against this transparency really adds weight to the stereotype that dps players like to have no responsibility. You are not playing a single player game, there is teamwork and your contribution to the team is the teams business, you should have nothing to hide.

If people don't know how to take in the information a parser provides then that's their problem, and if they kicked you then they did you a favor since it's a bad group. As long as you take your role in a party seriously, are open to critique and ways to improve and always try to preform to the standard that content demands then you have nothing to fear.

[ZeroHigh]

Hope? It's what I always see it used for in my static and circles of players.

Also really you make it sound like its the fault of the parser. The knife analogy used before is useful; why be against a useful tool because idiots misuse it, shouldn't you be against idiots?

And finally this point keeps on getting brought up but I must emphasise, I have no sympathy. Tanks deal with this all the time because bad tank play is obvious and cannot be dissolved into the group, bad healer play is also obvious as healer tasks are often divided. Dps however can hide in a group, and dissolve responsibility of poor play among the others when there is a single bad player. A parser brings them up to the level of responsibility and peer critique that the other roles deal with constantly, and being against this transparency really adds weight to the stereotype that dps players like to have no responsibility. You are not playing a single player game, there is teamwork and your contribution to the team is the teams business, you should have nothing to hide.

If people don't know how to take in the information a parser provides then that's their problem, and if they kicked you then they did you a favor since it's a bad group. As long as you take your role in a party seriously, are open to critique and ways to improve and always try to preform to the standard that content demands then you have nothing to fear.

I also must emphasize something, No one is asking for YOUR sympathy lol. But as it stands the amount of people who uses it for the right reasons is way less than the people who abuse it. Yes, in static and circles of players it is useful, but a majority of players pug things. Like I said in a previous post via example, it causes more grief to the avg player than helps them. It's not really about a persons ability to take in information, its mainly the way others convey the information. Which one do you see more often in a group of strangers "Hey do you know your rotation?" "Do you know Titan phases?" or "WTF You suck, learn how to play your class, You're not even using...etc" "You can't dodge for shit, replace him." People raging/bitching/kicking other players is more common than people taking the time to explain things/having patience, wouldn't you agree? It's a wonderful tool if used correctly don't get me wrong. I main a tank so being treated poorly is hardly anything new for me, and people wonder why tanks are in short supply. haha.

Btw, Do you seriously think the misused knife analogy is even comparable to a parser being misused? Murder/stabbings equal to that of a couple of in game numbers? People complain and put down other players because their are no real consequences. Yes, we should be against idiots, I agree. But if you can prevent putting a tool in the hands of idiots who would abuse them, wouldn't you?

[Thorauku]

Why can't SE detect the use of 3PP in the first place? I just don't understand this. If they're really eager to "somehow" fight the RMT, they should implement one. I know it's a never-ending process, but atleast it'll lessen the bots / 3PP users for sure.

[Dyssyd]

I'd like an accurate personal DPS meter with a full breakdown of your actions taken in combat, with relevant information like crit & hit rates. I don't really care about how others are doing, I just want to have access to information to refine my own play.

Groups that care about pushing themselves to peak performance can share their personal information among each other and give criticism and suggestions. People who don't want anything to do with it can simply not share their information. Abusive behavior would be impossible as the information would be all personal. Reinforce it by starting to ban/suspend for parsers.

It's a win for both sides.

[reality_check]

I'd like an accurate personal DPS meter with a full breakdown of your actions taken in combat, with relevant information like crit & hit rates.

Given that they don't even want to you to know what your actual crit% is...

[JanVanding]

To add (sorry for the double post unfortunatley character limited in each post) The reason I call DPS Parsers "Estimates" is they do not account for several factors:

1. Did the person have lag issues?

2. Were they melee? Did they have to keep moving out of AoE's and thus stop DPSing?

3. Is the fight set up for steady DPS or burst? Maybe a cross?

4. Do they also have support skills that they may have to throw in to give others a hand?

5. Did the Tank pull without a Ready check?

These are all factors a DPS Parser cannot account for, besides you already HAVE a DPS parser, it's called a stopwatch. The Quicker you kill something, the better you are doing, heck set a timer on your phone and play beat the clock.

[ZeroHigh]

To add (sorry for the double post unfortunatley character limited in each post) The reason I call DPS Parsers "Estimates" is they do not account for several factors:

1. Did the person have lag issues?

2. Were they melee? Did they have to keep moving out of AoE's and thus stop DPSing?

3. Is the fight set up for steady DPS or burst? Maybe a cross?

4. Do they also have support skills that they may have to throw in to give others a hand?

5. Did the Tank pull without a Ready check?

These are all factors a DPS Parser cannot account for, besides you already HAVE a DPS parser, it's called a stopwatch. The Quicker you kill something, the better you are doing, heck set a timer on your phone and play beat the clock.

You can "Edit" to bypass the character limit. lol.