Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Vandark]

Playing devil's advocate here, but how should this game have been put together? What does make an MMO good? What makes an MMO good to the hardcore market? If the hardcore market isn't the only one being aimed at, how do you alter your game?

LMAO sorry haha but I am not going to write a 500page+ essay about all the ways to fix this game, it's too far gone but I will put this video here for a laugh of what the OLD FF14 was like and why it shouldn't have become just like Crappy World of Shite Craft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmy7Ze18NY

note the date of this video is 3 years old lol

[Gojin]

Agree 100%!

Even in early WoW there were items that took a long time to get and were really rare, giving them the "Legendary" status. Sulfuras and Windfury required to get past low drop rates in raid dungeons, crafting, as well as a long quest line to final build and obtain the legendary weapon. It reminds me of the relic quests, but they weren't literally given to you (also got crafters involved).

The original Ashbringer was going to be something like this, though it seems they killed the quest and it was forever stuck in it's corrupted form.

uhh do you even play, bro? relics arnt just handed out actually I see a lot of people still raging they cant get passed Titan hard to get relic so swerve! I don't know what youre talking about, unless you want these items in the game that you will probably never be able to get so youll be back here whining about it.

[Kluya15]

More in the sense that they where dangerous to explore, but there where hidden segments, caves, dungeons, and groves that encouraged you to do so. And most of the time you could do so freely, without having to wait for a full party to join in a timed instance. XIV's environments are beautiful, but there's really not much to them.



I personally could not give a single rats ass about the rewards from quests. I liked XI's quests because they where engaging and varied. I enjoyed playing them. They very rarely felt like a chore.
The journey actually was more important than the destination.

Everything in FFXI was a chore.

[PSxpert2011]

Everything in FFXI was a chore.

Yes it was in its own justification, "a chore" but I felt comfortable knowing everyone had to deal to be rewarded.

[Magis]

uhh do you even play, bro? relics arnt just handed out actually I see a lot of people still raging they cant get passed Titan hard to get relic so swerve! I don't know what youre talking about, unless you want these items in the game that you will probably never be able to get so youll be back here whining about it.

Cool, so the whole relic quest line's difficult comes down to one boss. Titan is easy, the only reason people have trouble is due to it's cheap punishment for making a mistake (from any of the 8 players or latency issues) rather than any skill. The fight is heavily scripted and his attacks are easily dodged. Also, some people having trouble on Titan (for the previous reasons) doesn't change the fact that a majority of people have relic weapons. Sit in Revenant's Toll and you can see relics everywhere. I know some people who have relics on multiple jobs!

Compared to what FFXI took to get your relic or WoW to get a legendary, FFXIV's relic quest is a joke.

unless you want these items in the game that you will probably never be able to get

Believe it or not, there was a time when players were content that they couldn't get such rare items or had to be really lucky/do a lot of work. It was a big deal when you or someone got one.

[Eardstapa]

Believe it or not, there was a time when players were content that they couldn't get such rare items or had to be really lucky/do a lot of work. It was a big deal when you or someone got one.

Thrill of the hunt mate, something I miss.

[Tiggy]

My god this thread needs to end. The game is out. It will never be revamped as much as it was when it was in redevelopment. It is what it is. Why waste your breath asking for something that will never ever happen?

[Diadumenos]

My god this thread needs to end. The game is out. It will never be revamped as much as it was when it was in redevelopment. It is what it is. Why waste your breath asking for something that will never ever happen?

Never say never. *cough FFXIAbyssea cough*

[Mudcat]

5. Most af in 11 could be gotten in under 30 mins if you had luck.

Sometimes when I read people who go on about about FFxi I wonder if we were playing the same game. Artifacts has always been easy to quest, even the originals to the point that even when I quested my first set it took me less than a day to do. Relic armors required you to fight trash mobs and access to zones that required victory in previous zones but even with all that it took me less than a month to get my first full relic. Ironically, the most challenging to get are the Empereon armors which requires that you have to farm pops, pop NMs of varying difficulty, trigger their weaknesses (which require communication and teamwork) or risk not getting the seals... And this was just for the +1, the +2 were even worse.

The nostalgic losers (and you know who you are) seem to confuse repetitive tedium for challenge.

[Doo]

uhh do you even play, bro? relics arnt just handed out actually I see a lot of people still raging they cant get passed Titan hard to get relic so swerve!

You can buy it after farming for less than a day when it was all the rage. It's actually rare not to see someone with a relic these days.