Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[vasdeferens]

man you guys will find anything to hate on...

once again, i would merely like to see the inclusion of some of those elements. none of them would break the game or change gameplay in any way (except maybe skillchains). it's all just excellent additional content i remember enjoying the shit out of in my ~7 years on FFXI. maybe you hated dynamis/limbus/salvage/nyzul...understandable, but can you honestly say incorporating burning circle fights via seals or empty or zeni or imperial standing wouldn't be awesome and easily done? also, a signet feature would be cool too. i know XIV has sanction, but it's not all that great and you have to pay for it rather than simply speak to a gate guard.

[vasdeferens]

yes, i only played XI and WoW before now, but i absolutely HATED WoW for how retarded easy it was, not to mention if you didn't download 100 addons and mods you weren't deemed worthy of play. every time a new expansion was released, everything before it became obsolete unless you wanted to farm achievements for an old mount or something. maybe i'm just getting old and fearful of change, but when i look around all i see are dumb, cocky, uneducated and spoiled kids that want everything to be handed to them. i guess that's why WoW is so successful--it caters to that crowd

i would GLADLY play FFXI again were it to revert back to the 75cap, pre-abyssea days

[Sapphires]

Seekers really alienated many players.

Pretty much this, ff14 designers came to XI pushed item level+vertical loot progression into it, making new gear better + easymode to obtain pretty much killed off alot of desire of myself and friends to play.
I made a relic, empyrean and mythic weapon in XI and miss the game, *but* SE ran the game into the ground very quickly, made too much preexisting content irrelevant with SoA, too many friends quit and shells died.

Alot of people played XI because the tradeoff of time+effort to reward was very tangible, the new devs on the game threw that out the window and noone trusts them so alot of people left because why work on anything if they will just make it obsolete or add another wave of 'welfare' overpowered gear am i right?


in 14, I made an alt and got it a relic in 2 weeks without an FC while solely relying on duty finder - that really underscores how fast and easy 99% of this game is.

[Ri_ri]

5. FFXIV needs a sense of community. It was a huge letdown to obtain all five pieces of artifact gear by myself over the course of 2 five-minute quests

To me it was replacing the whole set one day after I hit 50... I expected much more from the class-specific armor.

[Hyrist]

With such a great resource like FFXI to draw ideas from I hate seeing so many more similarities to Warcraft

I sternly disagree that FFXI was a great resource of anything but a good example of what not to do.

It was a congregation of ideas that, while seeming good on paper, were poorly implemented and usually impossible to implement correctly. Those that stuck were actually improved upon by later games anyways and actually gets accused of being more 'wow like' when seen in other games.

I can disseminate critical game crippling flaws from every age and expansion of FFXI, without even citing it's overarching problems that, instead of addressing, they decided to compound upon.

In short, the game was cripplingly slow, unrelentingly punishing in all the wrong ways and continually compounded upon problems that it chose to ignore until it was way too late to fix the stigmas they imposed. There's a reason why the game did not break a million subscriptions while even games nowadays that are considered failures hold onto double or more.

We are already triple FFXI's once stable subscription numbers with all indications that we will continue to climb. Let's not alienate the base we've already established by making changes back to an Era in which MMOs were heavily niche minority. We have what was good out of FFXI - a gripping story, a world worth enthralling in, and a set of diverse races near identical to the game before. There are many other Final fantasy titles we can take inspiration from, and many other successful mechanics from other, non Final Fantasy MMOs that we can have our own spin and improvements upon. Harking back to FFXI continually will severely limit the scope and draw of this game.

[Redemption]

*snip*

Could not possibly disagree more with pretty much every single thing you said.

[Dliver]

So I see everyone's already weighed in mostly in favor of emulating a super-successful game instead of a merely decent one.

[Redemption]

So I see everyone's already weighed in mostly in favor of emulating a super-successful game instead of a merely decent one.

I'd rather there just be a good game rather than emulating something because it made money. (even if that means the game is less successful)

[misterrpg]

This again? FFXI sucked, let's move past it.

Go back to WoW, please. You're a plague.

[Divinemight]

I sternly disagree that FFXI was a great resource of anything but a good example of what not to do.

You also have to take into account that it is also because people bored by WoW's retardness. FF11 is slow because it is using first generation MMORPG concept and it does not mean for casual playing. It is also more fun for a real gamer.