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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    I'm aware of Valk's original formula for Crit chance (indeed, it's still listed on his methodology pages) but it's actually been tweaked slightly since then:

    Critical Hit Rate Formula Updates
    • Updated formula is 0.0697xCRT – 18.437 (old formula was 0.0693xCRT – 18.486).

    It's not vastly different, but might be enough to skew stacked stats in favour of one BIS item or another.
    Great to know, thank you. I updated my 'math post' to include this formula, and re-did all the math I had done that comes after applying the crit damage multiplier. All sets went up in weighted int, slightly, the "old" BiS more than the new ones. But, in the end, nothing changed in terms of BiS, and the new sets are only 0.04 weighted int less better than they were. So, they're still almost 11 int better than the "old" BiS.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    Did you consider a Melded Astral Ring? I make it better than the Hero or Allagan one using the above formulas, especially since you can meld Vit and Acc onto it.

    The ideal melds on such a HQ Astral would probably be Mk4 Vit, Mk3 Crit, Mk3 Crit and Mk2 Acc... plus either a Mk4 Piety or Mk4 SS for the final slot if you're megarich.
    (The stats would end up at 9 Mnd, 7 Vit, 9 Int, 12 Acc, 12 Crit, 8 Det... plus either 6 PIE or 9 SS)
    I did. For the new BiS sets, using these weights (WD = 6.120637211, INT = 1, DTR = 0.282081229, CRT = 0.186899974, SS = 0.084943755) I value the Allagan Ring at 14.35910008 weighted INT.

    If I used an Astral Ring melded with SS, using these weights (refactored to use Astral stats, WD = 6.104333403, INT = 1, DTR = 0.282081229, CRT = 0.185618633, SS = 0.084943755) I value the Astral Ring w/ SS at 14.24856722 weighted INT.

    If I meld an Astral Ring with 6 PIE instead, I get a value of 13.48407343 weighted INT, obviously even less than the Allagan Ring.

    But one thing this does bring up is that for someone going for the Allagan Belt/Ring set, you could temporarily use a melded Astral Ring in lieu of the Allagan Ring, since it is _almost_ as good. I still have never seen the Allagan Ring drop, but I do have the belt, and I do have a melded Astral Ring, so I could start using this newer set sooner.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    Technically maximum DPS could be achieved by picking the Heros Earring over the Tremor one...
    I show, using the new BiS weights (refactored to include these items instead) that the Hero's Earring is worth 16.61574991 weighted INT and the Allagan Earring is worth 16.91996375 weighted INT. So for Max DPS (which is a valid thing if doing Ex Primals that have significantly lower ACC caps) you'd want the Allagan Earring instead.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    ...but we'd need a little more accuracy in order to cap out the pets (433 Acc with Heros compared to 449 Acc with Tremor). A compromise would be to take the Heros Earring but swap the Allagan belt for the Heros Belt (444 Acc and a slightly lower reduction in DPS) if you think that's enough to cap your accuracy.
    443 wouldn't be enough to cap, but theoretically you can go less than 12 acc (~6?) under 450 and if you got significantly enough secondary stats out of it, it could be worth it. But this set would have 443 ACC (Allagan Ring instead of Astral Ring, since it is better) and a total weighted INT of 719.6903469, so even with less accuracy, it is worse damage.
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    Last edited by T0rin; 01-16-2014 at 01:57 AM.