T5 on PS3

[alhandra]

only baddies equate platform with skill. some of the worst players ive played with were "OMG PC MASTER RACE" while some of the best (including our current raid leader) are "diry console peasants"

lol at bad people trying to make excuses for people being bad

[rigormortis]

Also PC has some advatanges that PS3 does not (Focus Target for example).

Some people might not be able to do certain things as well without the focus target.

But then again, this is per individual basis. The PS3 limitations are not in any way hindering the gameplay enough (in these cases, we can all agree for example that Odin' is clearly way better and easier to do on a PC) to prevent players from completing content.

So, in short, it depends on who is behind the controller/mouse+keyboard.

PS3 is not any more of a hindrance than any other factor in play (latency/random lag, derp skills, etc.).

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Very nice, agree with almost everything. Except, on the PS3, we now have Focus target as well, which is very helpful. Also, Odin and Behemoth fates are pretty easy now on the PS3, with the way SE changed the renderings, as the bosses are completely visible and targetable the entire fight.

[Tiggy]

Hilarious when a person in full i90 gear who has not killed twin yet says it's not holding them back....

I don't see how my ilvl is relevant to the conversation at all. Full iLvl can be obtained with nothing more than capping out my myth each week and one good ring drop from Garuda Extreme. It in absolutely no way reflects on my coil experience, expertise, or my team. As it stands we only got to Twin right before christmas and we just resumed fully in the new year this last week. We've spent all of 5-6 hours practicing on her so far, and at each gathering we've made significant progress. Out of all the attempts there wasn't any one person who ever stood out as the one who would wipe us consistently and this includes the ps3 users and controller users. We would fail because all 8 of us are new to the fight and we are just learning how to pass through the phases appropriately and how to handle the mechanics. What we need is more practice. The answer for us isn't to kick our ps3 player at all as you would seem to suggest. You're attempts to disparage me and my group reveal a thinly veiled cynicism and bias for console users.

P.S. I only hit iLvl 90 last night.

[Staris]

You all seem to misunderstand, No one is saying platform = skill
Yes there are horrible pc players ? obviously?
Yes there are great players on ps3.
But the best players on PC will always perform better then the best players on Ps3 due to the disadvantages no matter how slight they may be.
I'm sure you could prove this too.. If you really cared find out achievement or trophy %s or something?
I don't understand why your defending a platform by deflecting the topic to skill of player?


and who said kick your ps3 players?
I am just saying its funny that someone who vastly over gears what is actually needed to clear a fight can talk about its difficulty.

[alhandra]

But the best players on PC will always be better then the best players on Ps3 due to the disadvantages no matter how slight they may be.

i'd like to see one shred of evidence that would make this statement even half way true.

[Staris]

i'd like to see one shred of evidence that would make this statement even half way true.

Finding published statistics would be near impossible because they don't want you finding out how significant the difference most likely is (Closest example I could find of hiding such data http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-...oo-pc-founder/)

They don't want to risk alienating a huge part of the community, so they don't publish anything of the sort. On the contrary if anyone had data (besides my friend or my FC does this or that) that went against what I am saying, they would publish it to stop all the hatred in the community. No such data is published

I would just like to repeat, all current content is 100% doable on either platform, and with a controller. What I'm talking about is the maximum caps of response time, precision, and reliability in performance which even if the difference is SLIGHT the mouse and keyboard out performs.

All of this would be alleviated if the ps4 version lets you play with a mouse and keyboard.... and they fixed the net lag through psn

[Tiggy]

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So what you're saying is your biased and don't have anything real to back it up except your assumptions. Great. Another person treating opinion as fact.

[AdvancedWind]

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You do know the data you're linking relates to shooters, a genre no one would ever dare deny that playing with kb/m is vastly superior to controller, right?

For FFXIV, the difference is minimal, sorry. The controller UI is actually pretty well done and you can reach any skill with 99% of the speed of a kb player once you get used to it. The only thing I think is slower to do on controller is selecting a single enemy out of a big group (4+), and that's only a real issue on T4. AoE ground spells require some extra practice but once you get used is also extremely simple. Moving is actually much better on controller than kb/m, and this a very move reliant game. I have several friends who play on the PS3 and they're doing just fine. Their only complaints is about framerates on crowded areas (which doesn't affect endgame content) and loading times.

Again, I don't say there's no difference AT ALL. Game performance is overall better. There's easier access to extra stuff that can help (messing with your connection, gaming mice, etc). Combining mouse and controller completely nullifies the targeting issue I mentioned. Still, that's far from making or breaking the gameplay. if a player can beat anything on PC, he can beat said content on PS3, and vice versa.

If someone is not beating any content in this game, I can guarantee you that 99.9999% of the cases it is not due to his platform or control scheme. If a player can't beat something on PS3, it's not that just switching to PC will change anything.

[alhandra]

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the article you posted has no basis in fact and is purely the opinion of the writer, nice try tho

also, ps3 can play with mouse and keyboard. they always have been able to, most choose to use gamepads because ::gasp:: they are more effiecient!

[AdvancedWind]

the article you posted has no basis in fact and is purely the opinion of the writer, nice try tho

also, ps3 can play with mouse and keyboard. they always have been able to, most choose to use gamepads because ::gasp:: they are more effiecient!

Actually, no. You can plug in the keyboard for chatting, but can only play with the controller.