If Titan HM should have taught you one lesson...

[Ishmachiah]

Those that can't do the battle should learn or not have there relics. Those that do should be helped not forced to pay.

The problem with that line of thinking is that you and I play this game differently and that bothers you.

I play FF14 much the same as I do in life. Money means nothing unless it is used to buy what I want bought. Gil means nothing to me unless I can use it to purchase what I want. I wanted a Titan HM kill and I "purchased" 7 competent players to kill him. I have no intention on ever setting foot inside of Coil as I do not have to, nor do I need to.

You play FF14 your way and I will play it mine.

[Viridiana]

Selfish people always justify selfish things. If you help one person for free. You should help them all for free. Btw I do things out of kindness of my heart, 2 of my LS do it and I help out when I'm not lagging, guess what I do it for free. The party finder is great now, since my FC and LS are farming it( well when the lag is better) we can just make a group for people.
SE should step in on this since well its a form of RMT and people fell for those all the time.

If you craft for one person for free, you should craft for everyone for free.

You can't have Real Money Trading without the inclusion of Real Money, btw. >_>

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Selfish people always justify selfish things. If you help one person for free. You should help them all for free. Btw I do things out of kindness of my heart, 2 of my LS do it and I help out when I'm not lagging, guess what I do it for free. The party finder is great now, since my FC and LS are farming it( well when the lag is better) we can just make a group for people.
SE should step in on this since well its a form of RMT and people fell for those all the time.

Your logic is so faulty it gives me a headache. It's fine to dislike how other people play the game, but you cannot tell people that the way they're playing and enjoying the game is wrong just because you think it is. Trying to make yourself out as a saint and Ashira as some money-grubbing politician is only serving to make you sound like you have a stick up your rear end.

Also you realize, people can just as easily choose not to pay for a run if they don't want to, right? If people actually decide to pay for a run, that is their business and theirs alone, and you have no right to get angry at the people selling the run, as they do not even try to coerce people to buy. If you want to shoot your dislike of selling runs at someone, shoot it at the people buying the runs, not those selling them.

Btw, please look up what RMT means. You obviously haven't got a clue what it actually is.

[Kimura410]

The bad thing about selling runs is that, as said by others in this thread, it fools people into thinking that a well geared, relic holding player is skilled. It also hurts those pugging xm primals right now. Although I only pull from an "elite" linkshell now, there were times in the past when I shouted in Rev Toll, got someone with a ton of myth and a relic, and they straight ate every plume, bomb, and landslide. Even good players who do coil weekly, who never took the time to learn the fight, are now struggling on this more difficult version of Titan, because they hopped in with FC members who actually took the time to learn it.

The ability to buy myth and the fact that it is the same level as coil gear is what is really bothersome to me. Theres no inclination wether a player is good or not based on gear. You literally have to take them in and see how they perform. Which, to me, isnt really a huge deal, just more of an annoyance and at times, humorous. Like, you pug titan xm, see someone wipe every 5 seconds, and the first thing everyone thinks is "wow he def bought his run".

In the end, I dont really care either way. I have fun playing my game, and dont compare myself to others progress. I personally just think it takes the fun out of the game to completely take the challenge out of the fight. The lazy people who dont want to learn a fight, who dont wipe 50+ times on something until they master it, then finally beat it with a team they have been practicing with, is such an awesome feeling. I would be bored to death if just bought every challenge in the game. On top of that, I take the time to learn each fight so that I become fluent with it, that way I can farm it as much as I want, as well as teach others.

Sadly, people have now moved on to selling coil runs. But as also said, I dont blame the sellers, I blame the lazy buyers. Most of us would probably sell runs if our group was good enough, had the time, or werent busy farming for ourselves or doing other content.

My solution: If I need to pug, and someone dies to basic mechanics, I replace them.

[Ashira]

The bad thing about selling runs is that, as said by others in this thread, it fools people into thinking that a well geared, relic holding player is skilled.

Once again I have no idea what A has to do with B. Even if you didn't buy your Titan kill it doesn't mean you weren't carried; or carried through Turns 1-4 for that matter, perhaps even 5. Gear has never been and never will be an indicator of a skilled player and I wish people would stop using gearscore as a benchmark as to what is acceptable.

Let your performance do the talking, not your gear.

[Empressia]

Once again I have no idea what A has to do with B. Even if you didn't buy your Titan kill it doesn't mean you weren't carried; or carried through Turns 1-4 for that matter, perhaps even 5. Gear has never been and never will be an indicator of a skilled player and I wish people would stop using gearscore as a benchmark as to what is acceptable.

Let your performance do the talking, not your gear.

so ur sayin someone with all primal ex accessories or t5 gears doesn't reflect their skills? btw having better gear reduces the amount of shit generated from ur mistakes

[PinkDeadly]

I've never bought a run, but I don't think it's fair to demonize players who buy and sell them.

Titan HM took me a weekend, and I was lucky. Just happened to find a group where final phase sorta clicked for everybody and we all could dodge it.

However I know players who are better than me who have just been stuck on it cause they can't find a competent group. Truth is most players are not prepared for the difficulty.

I'm guilty of going into PF to help with Ifrit HM only to have it be me (WHM) and the tank left standing, and we build a LB3 and carry. Once did healer LB3 twice in the same ifrit HM. Players in that group probably moved on to Garuda and were carried there as well. It can't be helped.

[Fendred]

... then how to dodge bombs. You fck up every Titan EX group if you haven't learned it because of "lulz one bomb is ok, healer heals me". In EX you eat your bomb and Titan stomps your crippled HP to 0. The only one allowed to eat one bomb is Tank and not DD.

One may assume if you pass Titan HM you're able to learn EM, but I was told better. Probably, I always get at least one Titan HM buyer in my group.

/endrandomrant

You haven't done Titan EX enough then. Dodging bombs in Titan HM is a different order of things than doing it in EX because its not just "dodging a bomb." Landslides are timed differently for extreme titan, the bombs have a larger radius, and shitty bomb placement in post heart of EX can wipe the group if egi pools are spaced just right with the incoming landslide. I already had to deal with a group today that thought it would be better to eat a bomb in that case than to try to throw off the landslide. Hint: They didn't do so well.

[toddx77]

I had to buy my Titan HM run. I did PUGs for about 2 weeks that never worked out. I even went with my FC a few times and we could never win. I didn't suck at the fight as I only died because the Tanks or Healers died and I was properly geared. When I saw someone selling Titan HM runs I paid for it since I needed my relic weapon. I originally didn't want to pay for it and when I need relic weapons for my other jobs I am going to try again in PUGs or my FC. I would rather save gil then have to spend it on help for a fight, especially 50k.

[Rosy]

Have any of the self righteous players posting here, actually HAD to use Duty Finder to do Titan HM? I suggest you give it a try before you scorn "buyers". Go on...give it a try and tell me how many weeks it took you to find a half decent group to do it, don't cheat and use a Linkshell group or a guild group....go into Duty Finder on your own and do it. I have only managed to find ONE group on DF who managed to down him, and I must have done him well over 100 times for relics on 4 builds. Going over the same fight again and again and again, is soul destroying especially when you get people dropping after one wipe, and you have to find a replacement, it takes time, time which could be better spent doing something enjoyable. NyssaElf....go look up RMT it has absolutely NOTHING to do with buying a run in game with honestly earned gil....oh and learn to spell...it's a lot easier than a pick up group Titan HM