SCH vs WHM

[Shyluv]

With a good SCH and WHM pair, in my experience, things are a ton more smooth. Turn 4, for example. With 2 WHM, both end up pretty low on MP in certain circumstances, depending on which strategy you use. But with a WHM and a SCH, as WHM I never even got close to using half my MP even while constantly curing.

As WHM, I love a good SCH co-healer.

[Vactus]

2 SCH can do all the way up to and including T5 of Coil. If people are leaving because they see 2 SCH then they have no idea what they're talking about. /fail

[Jyoeru]

Absolutely not. Especially with the current crit rng on tanks and how the server deals with damage and healing.
Damage gets added before healing which means a mitigation shield such as from succor and adloqium is ALWAYS better. Double crit from a Dreadnaught is a sure death with two WHMs while a WHM/SCH combo has the mitigation and then the reaction from the WHM (just to make a VERY crude example). Sure, with a group that totally outgears content it doesn't matter which combination you have but for groups who are just about right for an encounter there is NOTHING that beats a WHM/SCH combo.
Your regen medica 2 combo doesn't mitigate damage it just patches it up. There is nothing to patch up if your target is dead.

Also just because you had that bad experience with a SCH doesn't make the job as a whole less viable. WHM/WHM combo is by far not smoother because you are prone to much more spikes while a SCH/WHM duo who knows what they are doing (just saying that since you had a bad experience) will have a much more stable situation at hand.

I urge you to level a SCH so you understand the class better and see exactly how the synergy between the two healers work.

I plan to level a SCH one day. I know the pair can have great synergy depending on the fight (such as Titan HM). I am not sure I agree with mitigation potency. For example, Garuda EX: I know after the split--> jump that the MT is about to eat 2 wheels. So I cast SS on him and both healers are focused on him when they reappear. I usually start casting cure II seconds after they reappear, and 9/10 times, my heal lands in between the dual wheels, which does offset the damage. It doesn't work 100% of the time, and it might be safer to have a SCH use their shell at that point, but most scholars I run with don't seem to know how to play their class (with a WHM at least), as I rarely see that shell go up. I fear that when I level a SCH, I will only have disregard for players of that class even more than I tend to do now. A good SCH is really hard to find, I guess you could say So congrats on being in the minority of good SCHs.


And remember, 2x regen and 2x Med II = 4 ticks of healing. That pretty much means every second = a heal, which is some form of mitigation. It may not seem stellar, but watching that 50% health meter zip back up to full with 4x ticks is kind of a beautiful thing.

[mraz_syah]

well..i SCH and my co-healer (WHM) in our static group always doing the trial, CoB and dungeon together...never had an issue.
for garuda ex for example, i (SCH) will be focus on main tank. my Main tank preferred me, because i know when i need to stonskin/aldo/eye2eye him,
for example for Wicked wheel, i know when garuda want to do 2 ww, then i gave all that, sss,e2e,aldo..and after that lustrate to make him in full hp
no issue..my whm watching my raid health..so far nobody complain.

[Jyoeru]

well..i SCH and my co-healer (WHM) in our static group always doing the trial, CoB and dungeon together...never had an issue.
for garuda ex for example, i (SCH) will be focus on main tank. my Main tank preferred me, because i know when i need to stonskin/aldo/eye2eye him,
for example for Wicked wheel, i know when garuda want to do 2 ww, then i gave all that, sss,e2e,aldo..and after that lustrate to make him in full hp
no issue..my whm watching my raid health..so far nobody complain.

Why would your SS be preferred? If you're in a group with a WHM and stoneskin is a preferred heal to utilize, such as in that fight, your SS is not ideal. Considering the OT needs little supervision, there's no reason you should be using SS on the MT. But if the tactic works, hey, that's all that matters

And if a SCH overrides my SS (not sure if they can), I will be one mad WHM.

[mraz_syah]

Why would your SS be preferred? If you're in a group with a WHM and stoneskin is a preferred heal to utilize, such as in that fight, your SS is not ideal. Considering the OT needs little supervision, there's no reason you should be using SS on the MT. But if the tactic works, hey, that's all that matters

And if a SCH overrides my SS (not sure if they can), I will be one mad WHM.

well..like i said, i focus on MT and WHM on the OT + Raid, not my stoneskin that MT preferred...but MT prefer me to focus on him
yeah WHM have a great benefits for stoneskin, but he know i am stoneskin the MT coz i focus on him, so why not?
as long as i can mitigate some damage there, its good for everybody coz our MT not dead
in the end, just follow ur own strategy..if u want WHM stoneskin him..then just tell that before fight
"hey WHM, everytime b4 Double WW, u stoneskin MT kay?"
thats it

[Kyomih]

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You should have adlo AND SS up on the tank and melee anyway for WW. Again, SCH/WHM = adlo shield and SS while WHM/WHM only SS.
There is hardly any situation where you need to have 2x regen and 2x medica up not to mention you can't sustain that for long both MP and enmity wise. Not to mention good luck with that combo for encounters such as T4 where you have to have enmity at pretty much zero for transitions. Regens are quite a tricky beast for end game content if you are not careful. Medica II and regen up while the sisters spawn on Garuda EX is also not fun.
Adlo and Succor plus SS means you don't have to start burst healing immediately and are less likely to pull aggro during transitions.

Not to mention SCH is just the better single player healer, hands down
Embrace + Physic + lustrate + adlo = divine

[Jyoeru]

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Not to mention SCH is just the better single player healer, hands down
Embrace + Physic + lustrate + adlo = divine

I don't have an SCH to agree nor disagree. But I know MMOs, and even if this is true, it won't be for long

[Hitome]

SCH/SCH > WHM/SCH >>>> WHM/WHM

Whispering stacks. Fey illumination can be used in succession for 40 full seconds. Fey covenant, one of the biggest buffs I see ignored on these forums quite frequently, times 2 for 40 full seconds of magic resistance. Four healers, two bot raid healers. 6 lustrates at any given time with possibility of 12 in burst or 4 lustrates and 2 soils used in succession and not stacked. Improved virus x2. SCH efficiency greatly exceeds WHM efficiency, freeing up BRD manapool to be used strictly for increasing SMN and BLM DPS. Lustrate >> benediction (way too long of a CD). Two healers that can use preemptive shielding on the entire raid and the tanks >>>>>>>> two healers who can use crappy regen from medica 2 (less than rous'd whispering) and regen/stoneskin on a tank where stoneskin doesn't stack and consumes too much MP most of the time to justify the cast.

Have too much healing? One SCH can use a DPS improving pet. DoTs > direct damage that WHM offers.

Only reason I'd ever want a WHM is for holy spam on fights where it doesn't even matter.

[Kyomih]

I don't have an SCH to agree nor disagree. But I know MMOs, and even if this is true, it won't be for long

It's a simple numbers game. The healing throughput with no GCD on Embrace, instant lustrate plus the normal SCH heals vs. the casting time from a WHMs single target heals (minus benediction which I don't consider an actual tool in our toolbox for healing throughput). It's more HPS on a single target. Also both Embrace and lustrate can be cast on the run while the adlo shield is up.

Mind you, this is not a "SCH is better than WHM"- statement above. Just explaining why SCH is the more powerful single target healer.

Sure you can Cure II and swiftcast Cure II to try to match it but it still won't be as sustainable as a SCH's HPS. Also MP wise.