SCH vs WHM

[Ashira]

~ Healing Ultima ~
I like having two WHM.
Medica II permanently up with 2 regens on the tank.
With lots and lots of aoe damage coupled with dodging and certain points where standing still for 3.5 seconds can interrupt spells, HoT = winner.

Not bad reasons for having two WHM. I can see the upside, though personally; having Sacred Soil and Succor up to soak orb damage, I honestly don't know what I'd do without that mitigation. Keeping Succor up also saves people from dying to random stuff like Ifrit charges. I assume we're talking about entry level healing with PuG; as at i90 with a good group you can solo heal this as whatever.

[Nichigo]

I don't mind being a "support" to a whm. It's nice that the SCH/WHM combination can make a party much more efficient. In my coil group, neither myself NOR my whm ever have MP problems because we're always supporting each other. My shields and tank-focused healing allows the WHM to focus more on group/non-tank heals. This means more up time for stuff like Foe Requiem instead of the DPS hit the bard takes with Mage Ballad.

I know people frown upon FFXI references, but inter-class dependency is one thing I miss about that game. Here in FFXIV, you can pretty much throw together any mix of jobs and everything will work out just fine. SCH/WHM is practically the only job combination that actually sees a dynamic increase in efficiency compared to other job combinations.

[MrDiezel]

Its like Red and Blue. Theyre both colors, but red looks better on some things, and has a different purpose than Blue, as blue looks better on some other things. some people prefer red over blue and vice versa. A red n blue combination make a lovely purple. Whether Blue is a support to Red or the other way around, they need both to make that color.

But please, dont think Red is better than blue.

[Garra]

Its like Red and Blue. Theyre both colors, but red looks better on some things, and has a different purpose than Blue, as blue looks better on some other things. some people prefer red over blue and vice versa. A red n blue combination make a lovely purple. Whether Blue is a support to Red or the other way around, they need both to make that color.

But please, dont think Red is better than blue.

Cute analogy (>'.')>

[Sebazy]

I begin the question just how much SCH has gotten over powered, though. Our SCH has begun sticking to Cleric Stance [ON] for about 90% of a Titan EXM fight because all he needs to do is let the fairy heal and lustrate. I heal the tank along with the fairy, keeping the tank topped off, but when big hits come he just lustrates with no need to exit Cleric Stance since it's a % of the Tank's HP.

On the contrary, I think whm are noticeably better for the majority of that trial purely because of the frequency at which those big hits come on. Use cure III/medica II efficiently with a group that can huddle properly and you may as well just swap the sch out for a proper dps. The only point I prefer being on sch is during the adds, if the tank eats a bomb just before the second mountain buster then as whm theres not a huge amount I can do beyond bene or pray, as sch I just lustrate as needed and carry on as if it never happened.

As a WHM especially in T4, I find that I usually get asked to be the one that constant heal the tank that is getting the most damage.

I also did the MT healing as whm when we were learning T4 simply due to us not knowing any better at the time and it just kind of stuck. Roll on a few months down the line with me switching to sch to get a new whm in, I'm still healing the MT and I can't begin to stress how much easier the double dreadnought phase is. As whm it was always hard work requiring both myself and the pld to hoard cool downs and the dps to get that first dreadnought down before we both ran out of steam, on sch those two clockworks might as well be a pair of south shroud squirrels, even with the bugs fed early I'm comfortably out healing the damage coming at that pld, and unlike my whm, I'm not haemorrhaging MP in the process.

Its like Red and Blue. Theyre both colors, but red looks better on some things, and has a different purpose than Blue, as blue looks better on some other things. some people prefer red over blue and vice versa. A red n blue combination make a lovely purple. Whether Blue is a support to Red or the other way around, they need both to make that color.

But please, dont think Red is better than blue.

Thread won, gg!

[CalvatE]

I think WHM/SCH are pretty great together in a party, but that SCH is better since 2.1. Of course, AoE healing a WHM is better at, there isn't too many instances where the raid takes damage and you could just Adlo people back up (although it heals for little, just pop one every so often and people will be back up in no time; if you're rolling two SCH, switch them around.)

I begin the question just how much SCH has gotten over powered, though. Our SCH has begun sticking to Cleric Stance [ON] for about 90% of a Titan EXM fight because all he needs to do is let the fairy heal and lustrate. I heal the tank along with the fairy, keeping the tank topped off, but when big hits come he just lustrates with no need to exit Cleric Stance since it's a % of the Tank's HP.
The worst part is a score of 129 DPS, no allagan book either. That's some pretty impressive DPS you can dish out, and since you'll have two healers, with this sort of party you wind up essentially having half another DPS in the party.

It's not just for Titan but for Ifrit and Garuda this has happened, even turns 1 to 4. They were all successful runs, too.

[gadenp]

Not arguing. Just a question. As people mentioned Scholar single tank healing is better then WHM.

As a WHM especially in T4, I find that I usually get asked to be the one that constant heal the tank that is getting the most damage.

I find that the SCH is usually the one off healing, and of cause shielding.

Is it because WHM is better at reactive healing?

[VisRalis]

Is it because WHM is better at reactive healing?

Nothing in our skill set points otherwise...

[Marcusow86]

Depends on your group's liking. You and your fellow SCH's gear too.

But usually an equally geared SCH will be better off healing MT.

[gadenp]

Depends on your group's liking. You and your fellow SCH's gear too.

But usually an equally geared SCH will be better off healing MT.

KK, will tell my SCH to go heal tanks and I can relax