SCH vs WHM

[Sanguisio]

Lol.
Not a bad sch, I think you guys have had bad exps with schs.
Silence with selene is completely viable lol. It is instant provjding she is in range.
My succor is base 450 6/8 crit for 700
All you need is communication between the schs and they are great.
Problem with most of you forum crawlers is that you can't get off the bandwagon, and almost laughable that half of you think because players you've encountered suck, that's a fair representation of a class. Anywho said my side. Have fun

[Mhaeric]

Problem with most of you forum crawlers is that you can't get off the bandwagon, and almost laughable that half of you think because players you've encountered suck, that's a fair representation of a class. Anywho said my side. Have fun

The problem with two Scholars is that an important part of their utility doesn't stack, and they lack the ability compensate for each other's weaknesses. Galvanize effect is an amazing ability, but there's going to be a lot of waste of this ability with a second Scholar because there's no stacking of the effect. Also, the Scholar's weakness is AoE healing. A White Mage partner more than covers for this, but there's not much another Scholar can do. And the non-stacking effect of galvanize means the weaker Scholar AoE is even weaker when paired with another Scholar because you're only getting an effective 1.5 Succor when both Scholars cast it. Even a Rouse+Fey Illumination+Fey Light isn't as much help, because it can only be cast once a minute at that strength by each Scholar.

It's not that two Scholar parties are not viable, it's that they aren't able to achieve their full potential when paired even when played by two competent players. Certain fights, especially AoE heavy ones like Titan can make it unnecessarily harder by bringing two Scholars. Two White Mages can overcome their weaknesses by simply healing through them since all of their abilities stack. A White Mage and a Scholar together are the best, simply because they completely complement eachother by accounting for each other's weaknesses while taking full advantage of their strengths.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

c mon, get sirious xD, use your pet, USE IT, pharaos siren fight its so easy but u must use your pet, macro the pet abilities to your usual skills and u will be overhealing and say, OMG Im a great scholar, belive me, Eos or Selene work better in Obey than in Sick ooh and also we mitigate damage so... a titan fight can be solo healed by a scholar

[o3o]

450 succor base my ass. Im hitting just under 400 non crits with more mind then you. That would be like saying you hit 900 on medica normaly and the chance of 6/8 critting is super low since cap crit rate is like around 18%

[Empressia]

im looking at those glorious moments doin titan em or sometimes hm with 2 sch rather than 2 whm

[Jyskal]

Seriously though SE please balance out Sch more so that we are up to par with Whm. It seems like Sch is simply a supporting role to Whm at the moment. You can do anything with 2 Whm and a bard in an 8 party but you struggle with 2 Sch and I have people complaining "damn two sch" and left party before we even begin. Please at least give us a ticking healing ability. Regen would be great! Or better still, make succor tick. Try doing Pharious' last boss Siren with a Sch and it is tedious!

I beg to differ! Siren with a SCH isn't tedious at all. I've run the dungeon with both Scholars and White Mages and they all find it on the same level. All you have to know is when to avoid stuff and all, then you should be fine. Never really had a problem with any of the two healers, really. The only difference I can see is the Healing over Time as you've mentioned and AoE healing.

[Ashira]

im looking at those glorious moments doin titan em or sometimes hm with 2 sch rather than 2 whm

SCH/WHM works better than WHM/WHM.

As for solo healing I prefer SCH for Titan HM.

Here's something funny I want to try myself though, it gave me a few laughs; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_liIIYDuj4

[Jyoeru]

Got into an argument with a SCH/WHM player the other day. I said "I prefer rolling with 2 WHMs because they are smoother." He laughed at me, and proceeded to fail healing Garuda EX. Sorry, but I prefer 2 WHMs. You just can't beat 2x regen + 2x Med II for passive healing preparation. This is conditional to fights. Titan HM still works better with WHM/SCH. Can't speak on Titan EX because I can't get a group together who can manage spiney and sisters correctly.

Anyway, imho, 2x WHM > WHM/SCH and probably > 2x SCH.

[Ashira]

Got into an argument with a SCH/WHM player the other day. I said "I prefer rolling with 2 WHMs because they are smoother." He laughed at me, and proceeded to fail healing Garuda EX. Sorry, but I prefer 2 WHMs. You just can't beat 2x regen + 2x Med II for passive healing preparation.

Anyway, imho, 2x WHM > WHM/SCH and probably > 2x SCH.

To each their own on what works best for them I guess. I like going SCH/WHM because it works like a dream for AoE healing; SCH prepares the party for the damage and mitigates most of it through Succor and Sacred Soil, WHM heals the damage. It works the same for single target; my Adloquium can provide anything up to around a 3,000 HP barrier; that coupled with a WHM 1200-1500 HP Stoneskin and you have some serious mitigation, that can easily prepare a tank for a Death Sentance, Mountain Buster or Wicked Wheel.

By the way, don't let one bad player turn you away from Scholars.

[Kyomih]

Anyway, imho, 2x WHM > WHM/SCH and probably > 2x SCH.

Absolutely not. Especially with the current crit rng on tanks and how the server deals with damage and healing.
Damage gets added before healing which means a mitigation shield such as from succor and adloqium is ALWAYS better. Double crit from a Dreadnaught is a sure death with two WHMs while a WHM/SCH combo has the mitigation and then the reaction from the WHM (just to make a VERY crude example). Sure, with a group that totally outgears content it doesn't matter which combination you have but for groups who are just about right for an encounter there is NOTHING that beats a WHM/SCH combo.
Your regen medica 2 combo doesn't mitigate damage it just patches it up. There is nothing to patch up if your target is dead.

Also just because you had that bad experience with a SCH doesn't make the job as a whole less viable. WHM/WHM combo is by far not smoother because you are prone to much more spikes while a SCH/WHM duo who knows what they are doing (just saying that since you had a bad experience) will have a much more stable situation at hand.

I urge you to level a SCH so you understand the class better and see exactly how the synergy between the two healers work.