Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Arkune]

How about those who want more FF11....play FF11? Seems legit.

Troll Spottet!

You still have yet to provide a coherent and logical reason why SE should scrap what they're doing and copy a game that has never achieved even half the success that ARR has right now.

Well you have a clue about the history of XI?

1) Final Fantasy XIV had alot more Promotion then XI.

2) XI were only aviable in Game Import Shops and pretty much unknown in the EU. It arrived the EU market at the end of 2004 but it was only aviable in English, not everyone speak/understand English if their Main Language is German/French etc.

3) 2007 was the first big language Patch with German and French and this patch came a way too late because WoW already ruled the MMO Market.

are you sure the 7 month grind wasn't why no one ever finished?

Well, i am sure it wasnt because of the 7 Months grind, you had YEARS to obtain your Items, and it took you Years to max out a Job (Best in Slot) because the Linkshell rotate Content and not every Content had something for your Class you wanted to max out.

[LiadansWhisper]

Well you have a clue about the history of XI?

1) Final Fantasy XIV had alot more Promotion then XI.

2) XI were only aviable in Game Import Shops and pretty much unknown in the EU. It arrived the EU market at the end of 2004 but it was only aviable in English, not everyone speak/understand English if their Main Language is German/French etc.

3) 2007 was the first big language Patch with German and French and this patch came a way too late because WoW already ruled the MMO Market.

None of this, in any way, changes that XI has never been nearly as successful as this game currently is.

[ErBear]

None of this, in any way, changes that XI has never been nearly as successful as this game currently is.

Because more people play angry birds than this game, does that mean angry birds is a better game?

[Doo]

Because more people play angry birds than this game, does that mean angry birds is a better game?

That and early success doesn't really mean much to begin with. I'm sure newer mmos all tend to get over 1mil subs till the next hype comes along. When FFXIV starts to make more money than FFXI ever did then we can talk about it being more successful but still that doesn't mean it's a better game. Just means it appeals to a wider audience like McDonalds appeals to a wider audience.

btw Welcome back Rokien!

[jomoru]

That and early success doesn't really mean much to begin with. I'm sure newer mmos all tend to get over 1mil subs till the next hype comes along. When FFXIV starts to make more money than FFXI ever did then we can talk about it being more successful but still that doesn't mean it's a better game. Just means it appeals to a wider audience like McDonalds appeals to a wider audience.

btw Welcome back Rokien!

No they don't. FF 14 is doing much better than Square anticipated.

[Velhart]

None of this, in any way, changes that XI has never been nearly as successful as this game currently is.

Don't mean to play devil's advocate here, but you are basing these two games off completely different eras of MMO's. Upon FFXI's release, there is a lot of factors to consider. For starters, MMO's were no where near the popularity of what they are today. MMO community back in the early 2000's was a very particular interest and online gaming in general was not very accessible. Internet gaming as a whole was not very big at the time.

Secondly, people were naturally distant of an online Final Fantasy for several reasons. Namely people were not fond of the fact that Final Fantasy, a known offline game series, took the series in the direction a lot were not fond of. Not to mention to play it, at the time did require not the best PC, but did require a higher than standard PC at the time. It was a graphically intense game. It was also an expensive purchase to get the PS2 version and was a hassle to get it set up. All in all at the beginning, FFXI was not entirely friendly to get into.

While I am on the side that FFXIV should go in it's own direction and any ideas from FFXI should only be ideas that doesn't affect ARR's vision as a whole, you shouldn't be comparing the sales and success of two different products of two different eras. FFXI was successful for what it could do at the time. A time where MMO's in general were not accessible and friendly to an open audience.

[LiadansWhisper]

Don't mean to play devil's advocate here, but you are basing these two games off completely different eras of MMO's. Upon FFXI's release, there is a lot of factors to consider. For starters, MMO's were no where near the popularity of what they are today. MMO community back in the early 2000's was a very particular interest and online gaming in general was not very accessible. Internet gaming as a whole was not very big at the time.

Secondly, people were naturally distant of an online Final Fantasy for several reasons. Namely people were not fond of the fact that Final Fantasy, a known offline game series, took the series in the direction a lot were not fond of. Not to mention to play it, at the time did require not the best PC, but did require a higher than standard PC at the time. It was a graphically intense game. It was also an expensive purchase to get the PS2 version and was a hassle to get it set up. All in all at the beginning, FFXI was not entirely friendly to get into.

While I am on the side that FFXIV should go in it's own direction and any ideas from FFXI should only be ideas that doesn't affect ARR's vision as a whole, you shouldn't be comparing the sales and success of two different products of two different eras. FFXI was successful for what it could do at the time. A time where MMO's in general were not accessible and friendly to an open audience.

:-\ The entire reason I brought up the success of XI vs. ARR is that the people are wanting ARR to become XI-2. :-\

[Vandark]

:-\ The entire reason I brought up the success of XI vs. ARR is that the people are wanting ARR to become XI-2. :-\

-.- just stop talking, the things your saying aren't even true.

While it's likely XI didn't have as many subs as ARR when it first came out ( Mainly because MMO's were just starting out and weren't a world wide masive thing ) XI later grew into a much larger community in it's middle life than we have currently in ARR.

ARR has been a success in short time but it's over all success is still questionable and unknown.

FFXI still has a huge fan base, alot of whom are seeking a new experience and hopefully less painful experience in ARR but they still remain hopeful that we will see related content that we enjoy. Many FFXI players have been constantly disappointed with the new MMO's out there we hoped we would always at least have our future Final Fantasy titles to look forward to, we never wanted the game to become world of warcraft we played Final Fantasy because we wanted something different.

ARR would make a whole lot more sense if it was closer to XI than WOW it's in the same series it's not world of warcraft, if you like WoW go play WOW or if you want another wow type mmo maybe you should be playing Tera, SWTOR or Rift online.

Final Fantasy was never supposed to be that kind of MMO it just doesn't feel right the way it is now, it needs more. It needs things from XI and FFXIV 1.23, the things it's missing.

Just because it would then have similarities from XI doesn't make it XI-2, just like taking the things from WoW that it took doesn't make it WoW-2.
You exaggerate too much.

XI and WoW were both the most popular titles back in the day, it was one or the other back then and FF14 could be like the best of both worlds.

[LiadansWhisper]

-.- just stop talking, the things your saying aren't even true.

You've told me that I'm stupid, and now you're telling me to shut up. If you don't want people to disagree with you, don't post things on a public forum. Otherwise, suck it up, buttercup.

While it's likely XI didn't have as many subs as ARR when it first came out ( Mainly because MMO's were just starting out and weren't a world wide masive thing ) XI later grew into a much larger community in it's middle life than we have currently in ARR.

You have absolutely nothing to back that up. ARR has - by SE's own words - twice the number of subs FFXI ever had even at the peak of its popularity.

ARR has been a success in short time but it's over all success is still questionable and unknown.

There's nothing to indicate that, so long as SE keeps its promises about future content and doesn't allow things to stagnate, the game won't continue to improve.

FFXI still has a huge fan base, alot of whom are seeking a new experience and hopefully less painful experience in ARR but they still remain hopeful that we will see related content that we enjoy. Many FFXI players have been constantly disappointed with the new MMO's out there we hoped we would always at least have our future Final Fantasy titles to look forward to, we never wanted the game to become world of warcraft we played Final Fantasy because we wanted something different.

This game isn't World of Warcraft. And no matter how many times you and your cronies repeat this hilarious lie, it isn't going to magically become true.

ARR would make a whole lot more sense if it was closer to XI than WOW it's in the same series it's not world of warcraft, if you like WoW go play WOW or if you want another wow type mmo maybe you should be playing Tera, SWTOR or Rift online.

I like this game. I don't know anyone - outside of these forums - who wants the game to turn into another giant wall of "Nope." I don't know of anyone - outside of these forums - who wants to have to spend years just to level a single class or Job. Who wants to have to fight with other players for rare spawns as "open world content." Cuz, man, it is so much fun to spend 7 hours standing around for a mob that spawns and is already dead within 30 seconds. The only people I've seen who want this so badly are people on this forum. And I'm on a legacy server, with multiple guildies who also played XI and every one of them has said they don't want anything to do with the grindfest that XI was. While there are things that none of us are happy about, there are many more things that we like about the game and that we would like to keep as is.

Final Fantasy was never supposed to be that kind of MMO it just doesn't feel right the way it is now, it needs more. It needs things from XI and FFXIV 1.23, the things it's missing.

Just because it would then have similarities from XI doesn't make it XI-2, just like taking the things from WoW that it took doesn't make it WoW-2.
You exaggerate too much.

And you have, in the same post where you are saying I'm exaggerating, keep repeating the line that somehow FFXIV has "become World of Warcraft." Who the hell is exaggerating here?

XI and WoW were both the most popular titles back in the day, it was one or the other back then and FF14 could be like the best of both worlds.

This is so utterly hilarious. XI has never - ever - even come close to the popularity of WoW. At its peak, XI never had more than 500k subscriptions. WoW had 15 million. Even now, having dropped to about half that, WoW has 7.7 million subscribers. That's still 15 times the number of subscribers that XI had at its peak.

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There has been a huge chunk of ARR's subs lost already over this, if anything unless some Final Fantasy MMO related content is resurrected I can only see the subs dropping further or no longer increasing.

Where are you getting the information about this? Citation needed, please. SE hasn't released any subscription information recently, and I certainly haven't seen anything to indicate that your information is correct.

With new MMO titles on the way too like Elder Scrolls online, Phantasy Star online and possibly Blade and Soul coming to the Western community who knows what will happen to ARR.

Unless massive changes are made to ESO between last month and its release in April, it is in no way going to be a threat to any MMO. Seriously...to any MMO. It's that bad.

[Vandark]

You've told me that I'm stupid,

Not the words I used

You have absolutely nothing to back that up. ARR has - by SE's own words - twice the number of subs FFXI ever had even at the peak of its popularity.

Your popularity argument has nothing to do with the topic, this isn't a debate about FFXI's popularity VS ARR's popularity it's a debate about bringing back some Xi related content for the player base which seeks this gameplay and have enjoyed it for more 10 years+. Those who argue FFXI wasn't successful are not stating facts.

There's nothing to indicate that, so long as SE keeps its promises about future content and doesn't allow things to stagnate, the game won't continue to improve.

promises about future content were already broken thats why I'm here talking about it.

This game isn't World of Warcraft. And no matter how many times you and your cronies repeat this hilarious lie, it isn't going to magically become true.

It's not WoW, I never said it's WoW, how ever the fact is it's progression is still entirely built around similar and in some cases the same ideas WoW has used and other games like it used. Not much about it remains different to other MMO's.

And you have, in the same post where you are saying I'm exaggerating, keep repeating the line that somehow FFXIV has "become World of Warcraft." Who the hell is exaggerating here?

0.0 I never said ARR has become world of warcraft, infact I said just because it has similarities to wow doesn't make it WoW-2. That means I don't think it's WoW-2 wtf are you on about exactly? Please stop exaggerating and twisting things your clearly the one being illogical here but thats ok I am not trying to convince you of anything because you clearly can't see this from any other side other than your own.

This is so utterly hilarious. XI has never - ever - even come close to the popularity of WoW. At its peak, XI never had more than 500k subscriptions. WoW had 15 million. Even now, having dropped to about half that, WoW has 7.7 million subscribers. That's still 15 times the number of subscribers that XI had at its peak.

Nah derrr, tell me something I don't know, it doesn't make what I said any less true those were the two best games at the time and I chose XI coz I actually disliked and still dislike WoW. Final Fantasy was my choice and thats what I still want to play Final Fantasy, not World Of Wart-assy.

Where are you getting the information about this? Citation needed, please. SE hasn't released any subscription information recently, and I certainly haven't seen anything to indicate that your information is correct.

If you didn't notice the drop in subs yourself then you weren't paying much attention to detail. Discover it for yourself, I just personally know many people who quit for this reason and there are plenty of people complaining about it on the internet. I've even seen alot of people unsubed on these very forums for reasons related to the new content.

Unless massive changes are made to ESO between last month and its release in April, it is in no way going to be a threat to any MMO. Seriously...to any MMO. It's that bad.

There is something for everyone I guess, I honestly haven't dove that deep into those games ARR is the game I have been hopefull for since the first alpha stages of 1.0.
Yes I've been around hopeful this long, what exactly are you hopeing for, what is it you want the game to have content wise, another new dungeon?
How about another dungeon gear set that you receive threw a dayly point system that replaces your old one with 2 extra stats?

What exactly is the point in the conflicting opinions you have when you don't even attempt to be constructive about it?

All your doing is bashing XI with a stick, I'm curious what don't you like excludeing the difficulty about the content XI had to offer?
For those who enjoyed the game nothing could be more thrilling that game used to make my heart race with excitement.

If it was done in a way that doesn't effect the casual gamer what exactly do you have against that?