Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Dannythm]

I think a good idea would be to make a thread that said "Make ARR more it's own game" rather than comparing it to any other game, because what the majority of people here criticizing ARR just want a different type of MMO, one that does not follow the EQ/WoW formula and it's tons of clones.

The main problem here is that FFXI was a game with a LOT of personality, compared to the rest of the flavors on the market, so many FF fans and specially the XI veterans expected with XIV something similar a MMO different from the rest, but in touch with XI. When 1.0 delivered, it had those qualities, the problem was that everything was broken, even down to the payment system (I still have nightmares with click & buy), but it had very strong concepts.

Yoshi making a remake and trying to take the game up to global standards isn't a bad idea in itself, but then again, what (in my opinion and many others) all he did was to pick up ALL the global standards (those set by WoW mostly), the good and the bad, and discarded anything related to FFXI or XIV, good or bad.

Why couldn't he just pick up v1.0, change the graphic engine, fix the broken add some good things from other games and keep the real FF feel? I can't think of a single game mechanic in ARR that relates directly to any other FF game apart of the class/job switching. The twitch combat, the simple stats, the no elemental wheel, the lack of interesting materia, the purely vertical approach to equipment, and so on... those do not belong into a Final Fantasy many of the old fans want to play.

The thread discussion is not really about making ARR into FFXI-2, that may have been OP's intention, but the discussion is no longer about that, so maybe a new thread with another title and different OP could bring more to the table.

Also, to clarify some points: To all those saying "If you like X so much go back to X" where X is XI, WoW, EQ, UO, etc... those games are no longer the games we liked and enjoyed, and if we are asking for something those games had it's because they don't have it anymore, and we are looking to find it somewhere else (in this case in FFXIV). If X game was still like back then, we would be playing it instead of arguing in these forums.

[Arkune]

this.

exactly this, thank you.

My personal experience iwth Hardcores is they go from game to game consuming content like a shark, Never stopping, always moving.

you ever asked yourself why hardcore Players do this?

I never had any Problems to run out of Content in XI, due the armory System (XI one) and the Content with ZM,CoP,Wotg, the Gear Switch System and complex battlesystem u were never finished. Exactly this we could have, if yoshi sticked to the 1.23 Combatsystem.
This thread wasnt created to talk about a XI-2 HD Edition, all we asking for is more deph and Long Lasting Content and Equip with fights we can Enjoy and Long Story Line to get acces to open World Areas. Not more. not less, no1 asking for a death Penalty or 7 Months Grind for Level 75.

[Dannythm]

exactly this, thank you.

It's nothing, just trying to add some reason and logic to the thread and forums while my sub runs out.

[jomoru]

exactly this, thank you.



you ever asked yourself why hardcore Players do this?

I never had any Problems to run out of Content in XI, due the armory System (XI one) and the Content with ZM,CoP,Wotg, the Gear Switch System and complex battlesystem u were never finished. Exactly this we could have, if yoshi sticked to the 1.23 Combatsystem.
This thread wasnt created to talk about a XI-2 HD Edition, all we asking for is more deph and Long Lasting Content and Equip with fights we can Enjoy and Long Story Line to get acces to open World Areas. Not more. not less, no1 asking for a death Penalty or 7 Months Grind for Level 75.

are you sure the 7 month grind wasn't why no one ever finished?

[LiadansWhisper]

I think a good idea would be to make a thread that said "Make ARR more it's own game" rather than comparing it to any other game, because what the majority of people here criticizing ARR just want a different type of MMO, one that does not follow the EQ/WoW formula and it's tons of clones.

I liked your post just for this line. Make FFXIV its own game. Not FFXI. Not WoW. Not EQ, or SWTOR, or Rift.

But I also think that taking things that worked from all of those games is not a bad thing. Making a concerted effort to have content for casual users as well as more hardcore users is something that I think this game is really trying to embrace. I think that's a good thing (even if I don't completely agree with how they've gone about it).

[ErBear]

I think a good idea would be to make a thread that said "Make ARR more it's own game" rather than comparing it to any other game, because what the majority of people here criticizing ARR just want a different type of MMO, one that does not follow the EQ/WoW formula and it's tons of clones.

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Hey Dannythm, Rokien here, I'll be playing eqnext when it comes out, should try and find me on there, we can play together. We seem to have the same mindset. Dannas29 is my skype.