Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Ayvar]

Is there a final BiS list?

Once the accuracy cap has been worked out, for now what we got is what we got, nothing will be final for awhile yet

[SpyteSone]

Once the accuracy cap has been worked out, for now what we got is what we got, nothing will be final for awhile yet

Ok.
Any sets that are the most recommended for now?

[Adamar]

Something that's been bothering me is how Power Surge is out of sync with the jumps (even after they reduced the cooldown to "bring it better in line" with the jump. It's still out.)

Is it better to wait for PS to be back up and leave Jump (or perhaps Spinshatter) on cooldown, or vice versa? Either way, something has to be left up.

[JetBrooks]

Is it better to wait for PS to be back up and leave Jump (or perhaps Spinshatter) on cooldown, or vice versa? Either way, something has to be left up.

This probably boils down to whether the mob will be alive long enough. If it's a boss, it might make sense to wait. Otherwise, smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

[Tzain]

Yap our utility moves aren't very useful. I use them until I get yelled at XD

I also revised that post a bit (as I usually do), if ya wanna take a look.

That does make a lot more sense. I started weaving the ogcd things I have inbetween my Thrust combo (only level 26, so I don't have the other combos yet) and I have to say, holy crap on a stick my damage went through the roof. I started actually challenging the tank on Threat and pulled off him once or twice (I know, it's not something to be proud of, but I never actually had to worry about it before.)

On a side note, I also ended up Tanking a run of Toto-Rak using Cross Class Defensive cooldowns and Flash. Lancers are a lot tougher than I realized.

[Valus]

Is 11 skill speed really better than 8 determination? The updated BiS list in first post says Hero's Earrings of Slaying is best...I would have thought Allagan Earrings of Maiming are better.

[JetBrooks]

Is 11 skill speed really better than 8 determination? The updated BiS list in first post says Hero's Earrings of Slaying is best...I would have thought Allagan Earrings of Maiming are better.

For BiS, you're taking into account the secondary stats reached for ALL pieces, not just one at a time. I'm assuming that the other secondaries outweigh skill speed, when looking at them all together.

Best in Slot does not mean "best individual item in slot", it means "individual item as part of best possible gear set".

Really, Best in Slot isn't a very good way to put it. We should simply be thinking about best gear sets, this may alleviate a lot of people's confusion about whether they should upgrade even if a piece is not BiS (you should).

[Ithorien]

For BiS, you're taking into account the secondary stats reached for ALL pieces, not just one at a time. I'm assuming that the other secondaries outweigh skill speed, when looking at them all together.

Best in Slot does not mean "best individual item in slot", it means "individual item as part of best possible gear set".

Really, Best in Slot isn't a very good way to put it. We should simply be thinking about best gear sets, this may alleviate a lot of people's confusion about whether they should upgrade even if a piece is not BiS (you should).

BiS should really mean "Best in set", alluding that item is best in a slot in one specific gearset.

[Migosha]

BiS should really mean "Best in set", alluding that item is best in a slot in one specific gearset.

Putting it that way, it fits perfectly
It's a common MMORPG term, so in some games it doesn't fit perfectly the situation.

[Vegito]

Is 11 skill speed really better than 8 determination? The updated BiS list in first post says Hero's Earrings of Slaying is best...I would have thought Allagan Earrings of Maiming are better.

EMX also stated a couple of pages ago that Det seems to be underrated. Since no one can accurately weigh Dete, there won't be a true BiS until that happens. All that really matters for now is to come up with a gear set around the accuracy cap. Personally I'm going for Det over SS since I believe in more burst and TP conservation. Whether you go Determ or SS, you won't be significantly behind the other.

- Forgot to add: The only other way to determine the true BiS is to have multiple people have multiple gear sets and run long ass parses uses Det and SS.