T2 Enrage problem

[Hanabira]

Way to turn the blind eye people skip the adds during 3 I don't care if it's not complete or is, patch it.
And you can bypass the enrage of 4

fine, patch it. its not like turn 3 has any road blocks people use dirty tricks to bypass. And enrage of turn 4 is supposed to punish you, by dealing AE damage on top of all abilities any remaining mobs have left. it would be different if everything stopped moving and using attacks. Also, no one lives through turn 4 very long, and it surely doesnt help anyone by making the fight easier or bypassing any mechanics

[MACEenyo]

Can none of you read? Barely anyone has addressed the issue that this thread is for.

At the moment, mostly all people doing T2 on Party Finder is using Enrage method. For every 90 Healers that clear, only 30 Tanks are clearing.

This issue is why I started this thread. Not so all you illiterates can argue about whether the Enrage strategy was intended or not.

EDit: One person mentioned removing lockout. That would surely work, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Mhaeric]

Can none of you read? Barely anyone has addressed the issue that this thread is for.

Because it's a non-issue. The situation only presents itself if every group uses the enrage method, and even then all it requires is for someone in your group to switch to healer for one turn. Not necessarily one of the tanks, either.

[MACEenyo]

Because it's a non-issue. The situation only presents itself if every group uses the enrage method, and even then all it requires is for someone in your group to switch to healer for one turn. Not necessarily one of the tanks, either.

95% of Party Finder Turn 2 groups are 1 Tank, 3 Healers, 4 DD. That is a fact. The situation has presented itself I would say.

[LiadansWhisper]

95% of Party Finder Turn 2 groups are 1 Tank, 3 Healers, 4 DD. That is a fact. The situation has presented itself I would say.

Statistics, how do they work?

I can make up numbers, too! 95% of parties using the enrage strat with one tank are requiring a very, very geared tank to take the stacks up high enough and survive! See what I did there? I mean....

I don't know why you would only take one tank. I've always taken two. It makes things a lot easier.

If you don't understand why party finder groups does not equate to all groups, then I don't know how else to help you. There is most definitely not 3 healers clearing turn 2 for every tank.

As for it being a non-issue: Join or form a static. Switch to dps or healer for one turn and join one of those party finder groups. Create your own party finder group set up how you want it to be set up. It's not hard.

I've also seen exceptionally geared groups clear it with 2 healers. But the entire strat is a gear check - if your healers aren't geared enough, or you have undergeared DPS, it doesn't work. Gear should, however, be able to change how you complete an encounter, so I don't really see the issue.

[Mhaeric]

95% of Party Finder Turn 2 groups are 1 Tank, 3 Healers, 4 DD. That is a fact. The situation has presented itself I would say.

If you don't understand why party finder groups does not equate to all groups, then I don't know how else to help you. There is most definitely not 3 healers clearing turn 2 for every tank.

As for it being a non-issue: Join or form a static. Switch to dps or healer for one turn and join one of those party finder groups. Create your own party finder group set up how you want it to be set up. It's not hard.

[MACEenyo]

Statistics, how do they work?

I can make up numbers, too! 95% of parties using the enrage strat with one tank are requiring a very, very geared tank to take the stacks up high enough and survive! See what I did there? I mean....

I don't know why you would only take one tank. I've always taken two. It makes things a lot easier.

Hi. There is no tanking once ADS is in Enrage mode. Thanks for sharing.

My argument only applies to Party Finder.

[LoLo]

First of I just want to say I don't have any experience in Turn 2. I just started doing Coil last week and have cleared Turn 1.

The problem with Turn 2 Enrage method is that: for every 8 DD, 6 Healers clearing T2, there are only 2 Tanks clearing it. 1:4, 1:3, 1:7

50% of tanks that usually have a party slot don't have one anymore because of this method. Assuming you aren't in a static party.

This reason alone is why it should be fixed. Make it require two tanks. I could care less about being the only tank in the party and being able to not have any loot competition. I'd rather be able to progress.

Does anyone agree?

Level a DD or Healing job.

[LiadansWhisper]

Hi. There is no tanking once ADS is in Enrage mode. Thanks for sharing.

My argument only applies to Party Finder.

But there is tanking for all of the nodes you kill prior, as well as for the first 1-2 minutes before he enrages. You're going to pick up 5-6 stacks before then, and if your tank isn't exceptionally geared, your healers absolute gods, or really, really lucky, he's probably going to die if ADS decides to do one of his awesome cheap double-hits. And then with ADS zooming around the room murdering people, even if he goes into enrage right then, it's quite likely that people are going to die trying to get to the stack point (since they tend to scatter as he zoomes around on a murder spree).

Also, you're ignoring the main gist of my point in response to you: You have absolutely no way of knowing the actual statistics of party comp being put together in the party finder. What's more, it is none of your business if groups choose to take one tank, two tanks, or 8 tanks. Just like it is none of your business if groups choose to take one WHM and one SCH, or 4 WHM and 3 SCH. If it were your business, you'd have access to the internal information that would provide accurate statistics on the subject, instead of numbers you just pulled out of your backside.

[xanj]

so use the normal strat like everyone who isnt a badie