IS THIS A JOKE?! NOTHING was done to fix the netcode.

[Stryker12]

I cannot quote all the reply but why would I call my isp and complain aboutsquares horrible server situation? I play plenty of online games and I can even listen to pandoPandora in the background or vevo and have zero lag when it comes to those games. I have nothing running and I get lag now. So it is not an isp issue it's a server issue. Also how can you defend a situation where a company is this time at fault becausethey refuse to upgrade there system? And actually causes issues for more than just a few people? Would that be acceptable if you bought another product and it didn't work and they refused a return or any way to fix the problem? How do you think it would have went down if Microsoft would have told all there customers the red ring of death is not there fault and they just needed to buy a new one?

[reality_check]

I cannot quote all the reply but why would I call my isp and complain aboutsquares horrible server situation? I play plenty of online games and I can even listen to pandoPandora in the background or vevo and have zero lag when it comes to those games. I have nothing running and I get lag now. So it is not an isp issue it's a server issue. Also how can you defend a situation where a company is this time at fault becausethey refuse to upgrade there system? And actually causes issues for more than just a few people? Would that be acceptable if you bought another product and it didn't work and they refused a return or any way to fix the problem? How do you think it would have went down if Microsoft would have told all there customers the red ring of death is not there fault and they just needed to buy a new one?

Someone with an actual reasonable reply...

[Tupsi]

Someone with an actual reasonable reply...

"Actual reasonable reply" = ?

Also comparing RRoD with this situation is very silly. 2005 - 2006 era 360s had a known, documented failure rate to the point almost everyone suffered from temp failure or complete failure rate of their 360s, the problem was reduced after they modeled the 360 around 2007. It was an exception if you didn't get a 360 that failed within a month or two - Comparing it to this situation is basically stating you're in the extreme minority if you don't have lag issues.

That simply isn't true.

[reality_check]

"Actual reasonable reply" = ?

Also comparing RRoD with this situation is very silly. 2005 - 2006 era 360s had a known, documented failure rate to the point almost everyone suffered from temp failure or complete failure rate of their 360s, the problem was reduced after they modeled the 360 around 2007. It was an exception if you didn't get a 360 that failed within a month or two - Comparing it to this situation is basically stating you're in the extreme minority if you don't have lag issues.

That simply isn't true.

I just meant that the people having problems play ever single other MMORPG without issues pretty much.

[Tupsi]

I just meant that the people having problems play ever single other MMORPG without issues pretty much.

Indeed - the problem comes with the hops taken to reach xiv's servers. To "improve" the data handling, XIV's data is basically P2P Torrent type of data which some ISPs throttle (I checked into it, which is why when I used wireless it was near unplayable for a few weeks.)

No other MMO that I know of handles it data the same way or have ISPs throttling its traffic.

[Asdamine]

Indeed - the problem comes with the hops taken to reach xiv's servers.

If they put the NA server in China, see if your answer would still be the same.

lol...

[RoverTX]

....if Microsoft would have told all there customers the red ring of death is not there fault and they just needed to buy a new one?

While the netcode sucks. The ISP are basically making it so bad that most people notice it. This isn't so unusually, I saw similar stuff in WoW, the Ice Dragon Fight during Ice Crown Citadel was near as bad for some people as Titan Plumes are.

So you basically have two issues, that on their own would be bearable, but put together, ie the netcode, and ISPs marking FFXIV as P2P, that end up being pretty damn bad.

While there isn't much you can do about the Netcode, you can get a VPN to help out with the second issue for the time being. If anything SE might want to think about giving FFXIV subscribers a free month with a good VPN until they can beat some of the ISP and their partners out there to stop flagging FFXIV as P2P...

@Tupsi I still have one of the original Xbox 360s and it still hasn't Red Ringed after all the abuse I put it through. I still say it was a Quality Control issue because of that.

[rabbitzero]

How do you think it would have went down if Microsoft would have told all there customers the red ring of death is not there fault and they just needed to buy a new one?

Actually, i had a launch one, it did red ring, got told it was my fault, and would cost $300 to fix. After a few months, it was discovered they had a failure rate of around 75% in launch consoles. This is a bad analogy.

I have no idea if their code is bad or what, but when i had AT&T DSL, no issues with lag or getting out things. Got Comcast cable, lag often, 90k often, etc. That alone makes me feel it's not all on their end, but somewhere in between.