Provoke Griefing FATE's

[VidulaSaix]

do you even read the other postings? your answer is written down 2 postings above, thread can be closed now

thats it and nothing else

Again, let me thank people like you for your "kind" words. I'll be sure to keep coming back to the forum for months to come so that I can bask in the glow of your wisdom.

I saw the post and while that COULD be the case it wasn't. There were no other FATE's up for one and no one can just -know- when they're about to be targeted.

Since we agree that it wasn't Provoke... maybe the person that had aggro simply ran away?

It used to happen a lot in Coerthas. Tank dies/teleports, random caster gets targeted, freaks out, runs away and resets the boss.

Seeing as I had current aggro, that wasn't the case. Our Party didn't have a Tank and I was putting out enough DPS as Black Mage that she was fixated on me.

Teleportation does pose a potential way of doing this though. It really should be disabled while in battle.

[Sylve]

People wonder why these forums are considered to be awful by the community. People like you are why. I appreciate your post by claiming that this is a "troll thread" but I assure you that it's not and I'd like if you would please take your assumptions elsewhere.

Provoking on Milburgh in the Dark Devices fate most definitely worked because someone came in and grabbed the boss and hauled ass. If people choose to ignore it by claiming that I'm lying then I would prefer they don't post at all.

You can label me any way that you like. Your OP came across as someone trying to start some BS on the forums.
FACT: Provoke does not work on FATE bosses.

Again, let me thank people like you for your "kind" words. I'll be sure to keep coming back to the forum for months to come so that I can bask in the glow of your wisdom.

I saw the post and while that COULD be the case it wasn't. There were no other FATE's up for one and no one can just -know- when they're about to be targeted.

Seeing as I had current aggro, that wasn't the case. Our Party didn't have a Tank and I was putting out enough DPS as Black Mage that she was fixated on me.

Teleportation does pose a potential way of doing this though. It really should be disabled while in battle.

Secondary fact: You cannot just Provoke and run. Provoke puts you at the top of the Enmity list by exactly 1 point. ONE. You would easily have taken hate back by as little as a Thunder tick unless the guy also went into Melee, primed a RoH/Butchers Block, provoked and THEN sprinted away. However, if you were doing enough DPS to 'tank' for a party, you would easily have stolen hate back before the boss had a chance to leave the area.

TL;DR, you're either full of it and trying to start some BS by making false claims, or you experienced a bug and genuinely believe someone used a Skill that cannot be used on FATE bosses.

[VidulaSaix]

You can label me any way that you like. Your OP came across as someone trying to start some BS on the forums.
FACT: Provoke does not work on FATE bosses.




Secondary fact: You cannot just Provoke and run. Provoke puts you at the top of the Enmity list by exactly 1 point. ONE. You would easily have taken hate back by as little as a Thunder tick unless the guy also went into Melee, primed a RoH/Butchers Block, provoked and THEN sprinted away. However, if you were doing enough DPS to 'tank' for a party, you would easily have stolen hate back before the boss had a chance to leave the area.

TL;DR, you're either full of it and trying to start some BS by making false claims, or you experienced a bug and genuinely believe someone used a Skill that cannot be used on FATE bosses.

Please stay out of the topic if all you're going to do is insult me.

[Azoryl]

Please stay out of the topic if all you're going to do is insult me.

You toss out everyone's plausible responses, because you yourself believe it was provoke.

There in lies the problem. It could of been MANY different things, and you will never know until you can reproduce the results.

It was most likely her randomly targeting someone with Void fire... that person running out of range and her moving to get said person. Way down on that list is, I mean at the very bottom, like around the 10000 spot is Provoke.

[Krsnik]

I guess I'll just echo what's been said here.

Provoke doesn't work in FATES. Maybe what you saw was the boss already moving away from her intended area and someone vainly using Provoke, to try and bring her back.

Even if it worked and someone used Provoke, then whoever was trying to grieve, would have to keep hate on boss by constantly using Shield Lob/Tomahawk, to kite her out of the intended FATE area, or constantly using their combos while kiting, which is difficult to do.

I've seen it happen many a times when FATE grinding was hype for leveling. Even if there were no other FATE's popped up, people would teleport/leave the FATE area before the boss was dead. Then boss would randomly target someone with Void Fire spells whether they're in the area or not, as long as they engaged her at some point. Same thing would happen to Steropes. The only thing is, you don't know who the culprit is because it doesn't show who she randomly targets to cast Void Fire.

[TeaTimeBear]

You can label me any way that you like. Your OP came across...

While we know that provoke doesn't work. I think you're being a bit to hard on the OP she legitimately didn't know what exactly happened, she was wrong but I think many who aren't aware about provoke during fates would assume such. And to make a point her story isn't bull. I myself have experienced the random flipping out run away fate boss glitch during the Lightning events the boss was supposed to move but he was moving way out of the boundaries and doing so repeatedly without stopping much it wasn't chasing anyone either.

[Sylve]

While we know that provoke doesn't work. I think you're being a bit to hard on the OP she legitimately didn't know what exactly happened, she was wrong but I think many who aren't aware about provoke during fates would assume such. And to make a point her story isn't bull. I myself have experienced the random flipping out run away fate boss glitch during the Lightning events the boss was supposed to move but he was moving way out of the boundaries and doing so repeatedly without stopping much it wasn't chasing anyone either.

The information put forth in my first post is entirely correct, and while i did not address the reasons why the boss might've suddenly run off, i did eliminate Provoke as a cause. I've seen more than a few troll threads around here that make false claims, and this one looked like just another one of those. I did, in the post you quoted partially, state in the TL;DR that a bug might've cropped up.

The OP certainly didn't help matters early on by effectively telling me that i was wrong.

Provoking on Milburgh in the Dark Devices fate most definitely worked because someone came in and grabbed the boss and hauled ass. If people choose to ignore it by claiming that I'm lying then I would prefer they don't post at all.

Her attitude, and description, looked far too much like a troll to be someone genuinely confused. She never asked if it was possible for players to do that, or that it could of been a bug. she just bluntly stated "Provoke did it, someone griefed"

[ServerCollaps]

Again, let me thank people like you for your "kind" words. I'll be sure to keep coming back to the forum for months to come so that I can bask in the glow of your wisdom.

I saw the post and while that COULD be the case it wasn't. There were no other FATE's up for one and no one can just -know- when they're about to be targeted.



Seeing as I had current aggro, that wasn't the case. Our Party didn't have a Tank and I was putting out enough DPS as Black Mage that she was fixated on me.

Teleportation does pose a potential way of doing this though. It really should be disabled while in battle.

she can target everything in the closer area with her void fire II, ppl standing on the pillars and grinding chocobos or maybe even miners mining in the closer area
its stupid that she sometimes chooses targets, which are like 100 yalms away, but in some cases it happens and then she resets

[Bixby]

I saw the post and while that COULD be the case it wasn't. There were no other FATE's up for one and no one can just -know- when they're about to be targeted.

There are other reasons to run away other than running to another FATE. There are quests that take place in that area. Maybe they thought they could get through the FATE to do their quest, and panicked when they saw/heard the I'm-being-targeted arrow. Maybe their FC suddenly needed them just as they showed up. Maybe they showed up, saw the completion bar, and thought they wouldn't get credit, so might as well leave. Maybe they zoned out on auto-run and then realized they were in the wrong place. There are dozens of reasons someone might suddenly change their mind and/or turn around.

If you've got some other evidence that they did this on purpose, OK. But if all they did was show up, get targeted, and leave, thus causing the boss to chase them, I don't see anything to indicate it was griefing.

[Mourns]

I have gained hate playing my WHM in a full party with medica with casts over and over. So pulling hate from fate boss is easy with healers or tanks using hate things other than provoke. Even on both my tanks I have pulled hate from other tanks with right combos.